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Published: Tuesday, March 26 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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ParkCityAggie
Park City, Ut

What's missing from this article is some of the quotes from the justices that don't paint a pretty picture for prop 8. The conservative justices were focused on "standing" because California didn't even bother to defend the lawsuit brought against the state after prop 8 was passed. If we know anything about the SCOTUS, they love to throw cases out on standing alone. Kennedy seemed to have concerns about the legitimacy of denying rights to gay couples.

UU32
Bountiful, UT

Lane Myer -- "love the sinnner, hate the sin" -- Do you have children? If so, you understand this statement. I love my children without hesitation. Sometimes they do things that are not right. I don't like it that they do them, but that doesn't change my feelings for them. No matter what, I love my children. But that doesn't mean I always like the decisions they make. Maybe that helps?

pd
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I have five children. Four are adopted; two of these were given up at birth by a woman who conceived then in an extramarital relationship; the other two were removed from their heterosexual birth homes because of abuse and neglect so bad it is almost incomprehensible.

Can we FINALLY put this issue behind us and realize that it is the QUALITY of the parenting, not the sexual orientation of the parents, that determines success or failure with child-raising?! There is something good to be said for a modern world that understands the difference.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

To Lane Myer and Vince Here:

First of all, Lane Myer, I never said that the Bible stated to "hate the sin, but love the sinner". But it seems pretty obvious when throughout the entire Bible sin is always condemned, while Christ also plainly states that we should love everyone, and he didn't make exception. The only way to accomplish both is to love the sinner and hate the sin.

Vince Here asks how that can be done. It's easy. You must not have children of your own yet. Every parent hates some of the actions (sins) of their children. At the same time, we never stop loving our children, regardless of how much we may disagree with some of their actions. I imagine God feels much the same way toward us when he sees us faltering so often.

You can make all the rationalizations and self-justifications you want, but it will never change what is inherently wrong into something right, nor anything right into something wrong. It's been tried throughout history and always with negative results. It won't be any different now. Hopefully, we won't have to learn the hard way... again.

SoCalChris
Riverside, CA

Same sex marriage proponents are not demanding a right to DO anything. They're demanding that their relationships be VIEWED by society the way they want.

SSM is NOT the same thing as traditional marriage, and calling it the same thing will only lead to confusion and a huge legal can of worms. Our kids will be part of a social experiment that won't turn out well, just as most leftist experiments have turned out to be disasters.

Civil unions are a reasonable and appropriate accommodation for gay couples. But the militant gay agenda is sadly more about destroying Judeo-Christian values than about gaining any new rights.

Have all the tax, insurance, legal benefits you want that exist in marriage by way of civil unions, domestic partnerships, etc., but don't confuse our kids and don't open a huge legal can of worms by redefining marriage.

Pack
Layton, Utah

Claiming same gender marriage is no different than interracial marriage is impossible, since they can't be compared to each other. They are completely different issues.

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

Pack,

The comparison is happening today in the Supreme court. They did not question the comparison to interracial marriage and Loving v. Virginia. Read todays transcript. There are plenty of simularities.

Are gays citizens with all the rights and privileges that you enjoy? Do you think they should be treated as less than equal?

SoCalChris,

Wrong, gays want to DO many things that they are not allowed right now. They want to be able to have their spouse inherit their property without a large tax bill. They want to file jointly on their tax returns. They want their spouse to be able to be their social security beneficiary. There are over 1100 benefits that they cannot receive on the federal level that they want to be able to enjoy, just like the rest of the citizens in this great country.

If you think this is just about some militant gays trying to force you to recognize them, you would be totally wrong and have not been paying attention. Most gays do not care if you like them or respect them. They want to be treated equally under the law, as promised in our constitution.

SoCalChris
Riverside, CA

Lane Myer,

There is virtually no legal difference between a black person and a white person and there shouldn't be. Thankfully there are still legally recognized differences between men and women. I pray it stays that way.

All of those things you cite - inheritance, tax benefits, etc, can (and should in my opinion) be addressed with civil unions. That's not what this debate is about. It's about saying there is NO difference between traditional marriage and same sex unions. There are plenty of differences between men and women, mothers and fathers, etc and the law should continue to recognize that.

bob j
Maryborough, 00

Forty States - hold to your stay
And time will tell, you will have your way
For right is right and wrong is wrong
So carry on - keep in the strong
And with God's help there soon will be,
No longer there - the enemy.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

if you allow gays to marry then by the same argument you cannot stop polygamy either. A man can then marry 50 women and we all know the ugliness that results from that.... Actually - a man should be able to marry 50 other men too!! Why not - the more the merrier? There is no number restriction here - love is all that matters right?? Our society will soon be 'unlivable' and normal families with mom and dad and kids will have to restrict themselves to either home schooling or private schools because the public institutions are going to be nothing but moral sewers.

the truth
Holladay, UT

To compare homsexuality to race,

is an insult to blacks and other minorities.

You MUST prove homsexuality is congenital, and that has NEVER been shown.

Sentinel
Ogden, UT

@ Tators: I am Christian, have been my entire life, and I support gay marriage.

You cite the Bible as "plainly showing the immorality of homosexual". If my counting is correct, there are six passages in the entire Bible that could possibly be meant towards homosexuals. And, hundreds of "call outs" to heterosexuals to watch their minds, their actions, the ways they treat their spouses, etc. Seems the Bible had much more "plainness" aimed at heterosexuals than homosexuals. Six to over four hundred? And, homosexuals are evil? I think not.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@truth

Why "MUST" we prove it is "congenital"? The comparison stands on the ground that a group of people are being denied access the right to make the choice to marry based on charctrisics about them that have no baring on their fitness to do so.

amazondoc
USA, TN

@patriot --

"You MUST prove homsexuality is congenital, and that has NEVER been shown."

That isn't quite true. For instance, women with congenital adrenal hyperplasia are known to have a very high rate of lesbianism.

Also, several other biological linkages are known. For just a few examples:

1. there is a proven genetic linkage with homosexual behaviors in at least one non-human species.
2. in humans, there has been shown to be a higher percentage of homosexuality in the relations of homosexual men than in a non-related population, which appears to be inherited through the maternal line (see research by Hamer for details).
3. there are physical differences in the brains of homosexual men compared to homosexual men, especially in the hypothalamus.
4. the neural structure of the brains of homosexual men actually resembles women's brains rather than heterosexual men's brains.

And these are just a few examples. So, you see, there's actually quite a lot of biology that can distinguish gay from straight.

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

the truth
Holladay, UT
To compare homsexuality to race,is an insult to blacks and other minorities.

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"I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice," she said. "But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.'" "I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people," Coretta Scott
King. - Reuters, March 31, 1998.

 The Rev. Sharpton wrote, “I believe in equal human rights, before the law, for all human beings, and race, gender, disability, class or sexual orientation should not be a factor under the law. "

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