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Published: Monday, March 25 2013 11:35 a.m. MDT

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patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

So 83% in Utah oppose homosexual scout masters while only 33% nationally? I would bet the national number is closer to 50% since alot of the Southern Christian-Protestant states (Georgia, Carolina's, etc..) oppose homosexuality. The 83% Utah number is most significant simply because the LDS churches heavy involvement in BSA. I think BSA understands the big picture now - they lose major funding and participation if they elect to allow homosexual scout masters. BSA would most likely die as an organization within a couple years...or be changed into something else.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Our local scout leaders have a deformed conscience. If they think they can teach Scouts to be kind and fair and loyal to others while excluding boys who are "different," they are sadly mistaken. Bigotry does not belong in the Scout law.

PA Rock Man
Allentown, PA

BSA is not only at risk of losing funding and membership if they do allow homosexuals, but also if they don't. They are already losing big corporate sponsorships and members in many districts because of their current stance. That trend will accelerate if they reaffirm that policy. No matter what BSA does they are going to take a big hit so the BSA board might as well disregard everyone's opinion and just do the ethical thing. There is no path forward for the BSA where they don't upset a sizable portion of their membership and the public.

runnerguy50
Virginia Beach, Va

I took the recent national poll and wish it were worded a little different. Any Scout who comes to the realization that he is gay should not be kicked out. Having said that I am not in favor of gay scoutmasters.

Andrew
American Fork, UT

Do I want my 12-15 year old son to go on a camping trip with an adult female? No (high risk)
Do I want my 12-15 year old son to go on a camping trip with a practicing homosexual male? No (high risk)
Do I want my 12-15 year old son interacting with a pracitcing homosexual merit badge counselor? Fine with me as long as it is just a functional transaction. (low risk). Not complicated in my mind.

FYI. Is not the Catholic church being excoriated (and paying heavy fines) for covering up pedofilia yet some that would critize that are willing to allow homosexuals to mentor youth on scouting trips? Hypocrisy. So who pays when(not if) homosexual scout leaders start abusing boys. I would assume the scout councils. If they pass this change, they better start putting aside alot more money for abuses than they have historically.

MiddleRight
Orem, UT

After hearing the questions being asked in the survey I am surprised it wasn't >90% in favor of the change... Those question were written to get a specific response. Sounds like they didn't get what they wanted here.

BYU_Aggie
LOGAN, UT

@Irony Guy:

I agree that bigotry does not belong in the Scout Law, but unless they want to take out "morally straight" from the Scout Oath, the BSA needs to stick to this policy. Mind as well take out "do my duty to God" as well. My point is, if the scouts are going to profess to promoting moral values and faith in God, then this policy cannot change. No one is teaching the scouts to ridicule a homosexual child - just to see that homosexuality is still a moral choice.

BYU_Aggie
LOGAN, UT

@patriot:

I'm very surprised that the Great Salt Lake council (Salt Lake City metro area) received this high of opposition. If this was done in the Utah National Parks Council (Utah Valley and south) or Trapper Trails (Ogden and north), we probably would have seen up in the 90% opposition range.

RBN
Salt Lake City, UT

I'm one LDS member and long-time scouter that doesn't believe in exclusion from scouting based on sexual orientation.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

No kidding. Still, it's only a policy change. I doubt that there are a lot of (any?) potential gay scouts or leaders in utah anyway.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

I dont think my nieces should be camping with neighbor men.

Similarly, not appropraite for a homosexual to be camping with young boys.

this is all about commmon sense and protecting the boys.

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

Andrew,

Do you know the difference between a pedophile and a gay person? Why do you think an adult female going on a camping trip with your son is a high risk? You need to look at the stats! The highest percentage of pedophiles are married men. Pedophilia is a crime of opporturnity and control. If a pedophile has the opportunity to be alone with a child (male or female), they want the control that they can exert over this child. It is much different than an adult that is attracted to another adult of the same or different sex.

Catholics are being sued for having PEDOPHILES that abused boys and girls in their charges. Not for having homosexuals as their priests. If they were just homosexual, there were other homosexual priests that they would be attracted to.

Please understand the difference or your children could be in danger. Do not give pedophiles the opportunity to be alone with them - whether they are heterosexual or homosexual. Learn and protect.

fish8
Vernal, UT

The issue is: Is homosexuality a moral issue? If you feel it is, then BSA is justified in it's stand. Any organization has the right to follow their own moral beliefs without someone say that they want to join them, but they want them to change their moral beliefs to suit the person wanting to join.
If homosexuality isn't a moral issue then majority rules as to what society will accept.

Vladhagen
Salt Lake City, UT

I think we need to understand the difference between a person who is an active homosexual and a person who is attracted to someone of the same gender. The first should not be allowed in scouting, as such is a choice. The latter should be allowed in scouting, insofar as he does not actively promote or participate in homosexuality.

Markhorse
DENAIR, CA

As a member of the church how in good conscience can we deny a homosexual from leading or participating in scout activities? These brothers and sisters are kind,loving and good people who are loved by our Heavenly Father.Get over it people!

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

I wonder what would have been the results if the LDS church had sent out a survey on whether or not we should allow gays to attend church and hold callings...My guess is that it would probably be about the same: 80% against.

Luckily, the church made their decision without any consultation from the members and did what is loving, inclusive and right.

I wonder what a young gay member who is living the gospel is supposed to do while all the other aaronic priesthood holders are scouting? Does anyone have an idea? He is being moral and truthful in telling his attractions, but the church has nothing for him nor any role models of how he should live his life. Sad.

VA Saint
Chester, VA

Why such a big deal? It is a private organization with high standards. Leave them alone.

Vladhagen
Salt Lake City, UT

I think that this decision will place a lot of organizations in a difficult situation. If BSA allows active homosexuals to participate in scouting, would it come to the point where it is not just an issue of allowance, but an issue of forced acceptance? That is, for example, would churches that oppose homosexuality be forced to take on an active homosexual leader on the grounds of "equality?" It then becomes an issue of not just allowing homosexuals to participate in scouting, but moreover to dictate the entire operation of the organization.

Well.ok
Lehi, UT

Man I'd hate to be the teachers quorum advisor who when talking about and preparing for the weeks scout activity each week in church has to remind little Johnny that he's not invited simply because he's homosexual. Talk about making an already difficult situation even worse. Remember the church teaches us that being gay is not a choice and that only acting on it is a sin.

Itsme2
SLC, UT

It's a shame that this is even a question. Homosexuality (or sexuality of any kind) should not play a part in the Boy Scouts. The motto is to do your duty to God and your country, as well as to be "morally straight." There's no place in the BSA for any other "alternative" type of behavior.

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