high school fan - are you under the impression Utah doesn't have an
increasing government debt? You may want to look a little ways past the self
back slapping rhetoric and look at the states debt numbers. Utah isn't all
that much different than most states... A good start would be a
balanced budget... but having one does not mean you don't have a government
"To "one old man" you realize that today's conservatives are
not that different than the Founding Fathers. "This statement by
its own virtue show a complete and total misunderstanding of who the founding
fathers were and what they believed. Anyone who pretends that there was
unanimity across the founding fathers grossly over simplifies the balance they
had to achieve - and the miracle it was that they pulled off what they did.It is sad the history has been so rewritten and distorted to support
mythical narratives.... that the work these men did is tarnish by such
statement.Our founding fathers were not of one mind, or singular in
their thought. Never were... and only exist so in the minds of those who the
truth doesn't fit what they want to believe.
Here is a compelling reason, utah is a great place to live because the state is
basically ran right fiscally. The country though is a different story, if we
maintain the current direction we will all be broke because the country will
confiscate everything to try to pay the debt.
Cheney is a darling of conservatives, but you won't admit he's one of
yours. I find that interesting. I'm certainly not a liberal, so you
won't find me defending either him or Obama. Who in you mind characterizes
the conservative you're saying is like the Founding Fathers? Lives there
such a person?
To "SEY" if Cheny is a neocon as you cliam, then I have no need to
defend his actions. A Neocon is a liberal/progressive that believes in the
military.Maybe you should justify Cheny actions since he is a
liberal of a different color.
RedShirt, the only place where today's conservatives are like the Founders
is in the Fairy Tales of the Tea Party and other gullible people.
Redshirt: conservatives are not different than the Founding Fathers? Of course
they were not as united on their philosophies as many believe. Hamilton, for
example, was profoundly at odds with Jefferson and Madison, among others in
significant areas. But to equate today's conservative war-mongers with
anti-colonial, anti-war and anti-interventionist early Americans requires one to
believe in fables. Today's conservatives (Cheney, for a prime example)
advocates foreign interventions, going "to the dark side," and ignoring
federal debt. Can you possibly defend the policies of Cheney and other neocons
at this point?
To "one old man" you realize that today's conservatives are not
that different than the Founding Fathers. Are you saying that nothing good came
from George Washington and Benjamin Franklin?To "Kent C.
DeForrest" Bush was a progressive (liberal), not a conservative. If you
think he was an extremist, what does that make people like JFK that were more
conservative than Bush?
one old man:I agree. I voted for Bush once, but could see during his
first term where the GOP was heading economically (and in other areas), so I
could not in good conscience support the extremism that was entrenching itself.
I am now unaffiliated, but I rarely vote for a Republican any more. I did vote
for Gov. Herbert in 2008, but only because Pete Corroon's campaign turned
so negative. I supported Cooke in 2012, and am glad to see this good man will be
serving as a mission president for the LDS Church in July.I could
never in a million years support a Mike Lee or a Jason Chaffetz or any of the
cookie-cutter, rubber-stamp tea imbibers the GOP has been selecting as its
poster children. Will its "brutal" navel-gazing produce significant
shifts in its message? I doubt it. The best thing for the GOP would be to become
totally irrelevant. Only then might it change its tune.Will Utahns
ever wake up and recognize that they have been duped? Well, never say never. But
they will be the last GOP holdouts, I predict.
A good piece of op ed.There is nothing wrong with conservatism, but
when it is taken to the extremes it now pushes, it becomes dangerous.I'm sure that many of us who are hatefully labeled as "liberals"
are really moderate conservatives who have become completely disillusioned and
disgusted with what we are seeing in the GOP now. I know that I fit that
Nothing is being said about keeping the principles that are supposed to maintain
a moral and financially solvent society. Too many people seem to be overcome
with what the GOP can do or say to appeal to a broader spectrum of the voting
public. The rhetoric seems to say there is no right or wrong anymore. They are
just what we want to make them.