Comments about ‘Betsy Hart: Dating no longer a path to marriage, and women partly to blame’

Why can't the DN have an article about men's responsibility in relationships?

Another doomsday article from the far right.

If the world is going into the toilet, why then is there such a push to date, marry, and have kids? Why would we want to subject children to a world so bleak of hope and so dark as conservatives want to portray it?

There are a few women that say things like I already dated you, want to date other people, don't want to date same guy twice. Thing is it takes two to tangle and some women put off marriage or turn down everyone too.

@ Real Maverick. Want proof this is happening? 70% of babies born in many cities are to single mothers. Most crimes committed in America are perpetrated by young men with no father in the home. The largest demographic of people living below the poverty line in America is single mothers. You may call it doomsday information from conservatives but the truth is conservatives have always stood for family values. Its your side that embraces alternative lifestyles but don't want the inevitable consequences. Think its bad out there now? Doomsday or not,wait until the next generation of "liberated" from what they call "stereotypes of family values" hits the streets!

You know conservatives, the world just simply changes, and people change with it..get used to it. The wasup kids with their eyes glued to their phones, and the attention span of a nat irritate the heck out of me when I'm around them but then again my grandfather thought rock and roll would virtually destroy the world, and look what it led to 30 years later..Ronald Regan..well maybe that's a bad example but you get the point.

I love when I grew up. It was a sweet spot in world history for working folks that has been destroyed now and probably won't be duplicated again, but then again I'm white and male and didn't have a female boss until I was nearly 50...so the world changes. BTW, conservatives, the technology of social media is the same technology of robotic manufacturing..productivity increases.

higv said: "There are a few women that say things like I already dated you, want to date other people, don't want to date same guy twice. Thing is it takes two to tangle and some women put off marriage or turn down everyone too."

What ever happend to "settling?" hahahahahaha

Morally casual city girls are to blame for 70% of Americas Problem, Got It!

@ Mountainman

"Want proof this is happening? 70% of babies born in many cities are to single mothers."

Is 70 percent of our (newborn) population born in cities? How much of our population is born in "cities?" What classifies "a city" as such? Is Orem a city? Is Salt Lake a city? Is Chicago a city? What exactly is a "city?"

So if the world is so bleak why should there be such a push to have kids? Subjecting them to such a horrible life? The sky is falling the sky is falling!

Cannot read anything on this site because of Kennecot Copper's annoying pop up.

@ Real Maverick. Families are the incubator for all societies. Destroy the family and you destroy society. We ignore that fact at our peril and it matters not whether its Orem or Detroit.

"And no, I'm not arguing that doing the right thing will always get you the right relationship you crave.

But this much is true: While men are wonderful, we women typically set the standard when it comes to relationships. And social media aside, if we set it low, it will inevitably be met."

Women are sending out very strong messages about the relationships they crave. Who wants to be settled for?

@ Mountainman

"Families are the incubator for all societies. Destroy the family and you destroy society. We ignore that fact at our peril and it matters not whether its Orem or Detroit."

Thanks for clarifying things for me.

So essentially you have no idea what you're talking about. A city could be New York City or Dayton, Idaho. Your stats are meaningless as they have no definition or context. Take a stats 101 class.

Good day to you sir.

This is one Deseret News opinion article that I actually think is spot on. And I am as liberal as they come.

Just because someone isn't married and having kids by the time they're twenty-two doesn't mean the world is coming to an end. Too much of this article seems to be bemoaning women having more of a say instead of just sitting around waiting to be "courted." If you want to get technical, "traditional marriages" in history tended to be arranged by the parents for the sake of property. Is that what we should go back to?

pragmastistferlife is right: people and their societies change. The Utah Mormon ideal isn't the only way to live.

Ya'll can be a little nasty. Yikes. I'm for the traditional family always. But I'm also for those that don't have that. I think we should try to get people the best situation that we can.

And I'm part of the "new" generation and there aren't that many of us putting out our "lines" hoping for a nibble. There is still common sense out there, at least a little.

My mother taught me something and I lived by it: You can't have the milk without buying the cow. I deserved the best and would not settle for someone who would not commit to me without marriage first. I've been happily married for 23 years now. The cow won!

The church is improving. These tarts are now only partially responsible.

@ The Real Maverick;

In spite of Mountainman's vague definition of what constitutes a city, his point that the moral degradation of our country is having serious consequences is not invalidated by that. Is it the end of the world? Certainly not; but could our world be better? Certainly, yes!

It's all about materialism and money now. Love takes a backseat to these things.

"Certainly not; but could our world be better? Certainly, yes!"

Again, I ask, if the world is one big horrible place and is becoming worse and worse then we should be subjecting fewer children not more to this hole of hopelessness until we get this world fixed.

Why is this something to which 'blame' must be assigned? Things change; that's the story of humanity.