Published: Tuesday, March 19 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
[And what shall we say about pornography? As New York Times writer David Brooks
observed, "If your kid spent a lot of time reading Maxim and watching rap
videos, you'd know in your gut that it was damaging to his soul."]Neither of these are what most people, outside of the Middle-East and
North Korea, would consider "pornography".This article
illustrates why we keep pornography legal in this, and every G8 country, because
what one person thinks is tame, another thinks is scandalous. That's the
nature of free speech.[Our craven, postmodern society is blatantly
sexist and degrading. We worship at the altar of tolerance — including
tolerance for things that should be intolerable. We've even silenced
feminists who no longer decry their own objectification.]Sometime
try looking up which countries allow/disallow pornography. For the most part,
countries in which pornography is legal have high human development indexes,
democratic governments, women's rights, free speech, and educated
populations. Countries that prohibit pornography are usually at the bottom of
every list, like North Korea and Libya.
I'll politely disagree. I dont' find myself identifying with the
author at all. There are lots of different kinds of people in this world, yes,
even kinds you may not like because you are sexually repressed, like some
pornographers. Certainly I'm not saying the industry isn't full
of problems, but what industry isn't? And furthermore who is this guy to
judge those who choose to work in the porn industry?
It's too bad that the protectors of the First Amendment don't give the
same respect to the Second Amendment. My guess over the years is that some of
our more infamous serial killers have killed more people over the years than
Columbine, Sandyhook, Virginia Tech, and Aurora combined. And all of them
started with porn.
MukkakeSalt Lake City, UT"Countries that prohibit pornography
are usually at the bottom of every list, like North Korea and Libya."What an enlightened comment. Because, as we all know, pornography is the
sine qua non of all great democracies. Yes, if only North Korea and Libya
I agree 100% with the author's comments. The amount of tolerance for the
indecent in society is utterly shocking. However, on a personal level, if
someone you know and love has an addiction, let's have hope and help for
those addicted and refrain from unrighteous judgement. "Let he
who is without sin cast the first stone".
To those would defend the pornography industry:So you would be
comfortable with your spouse, child, grandchild, brother, sister or other loved
one participating in the industry?If one of them came to you for
career guidance, you would recommend the industry?If they procured a
role in a movie or spot in a magazine, you would buy a few extra copies and
encourage your friends to see it as well?You think that the career
would benefit them over time and make them a healthy, happy person? That it
would benefit their own marriages and children as well?If you have
doubts as to any of these, then why would you encourage someone else's
loved on to participate?You don't encourage anyone to
participate? You certainly do if you buy it in any form. You thereby send a
signal to the markets to produce more and to enlist more people into the
industry.If you think pornography is good, then it should be good
for those closest to you. If it is not, then think carefully about those who
are in it now.
LVIS:[What an enlightened comment. Because, as we all know, pornography is
the sine qua non of all great democracies. Yes, if only North Korea and Libya
permitted pornography.]It does seem to be a commonality, though,
doesn't it? All the G8 nations (Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan,
Russia, United Kingdom, and United States of America) are major producers of
pornography. It's also legal in Sweden, Norway, Finland, Turkey, Israel,
New Zealand, Poland, The Czech Republic, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Austria,
Hungary, Taiwan, and South Korea.Countries where pornography is
illegal? China, Cuba, Morocco, Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia, Somalia, Mali,
Nigeria, Kenya, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan,
Bangladesh, Malaysia, and Indonesia.So I guess you need to ask,
would you rather live in one of the countries where pornography is legal, or
illegal?Freedom and progress appear to go hand in hand with
pornography. A nation that suppresses pornography also suppresses intellectual
freedom, technological innovation, and human rights.
Twin Lights,I wouldn't suggest to my own family/friends careers
in fast food, garbage removal, extreme sports, or combat positions in the
military. I support/use these services, but wouldn't participate or suggest
participation.However, I can't say I would be disappointed if a
loved one started a successful pornography production company. If they had to
participate in the industry early on, but later moved into successful
producing/directing/management/support positions, I think that would be
acceptable as well.Some jobs are fine for the short term, but not
for the long term. A lot of people work terrible jobs in the service/vending
industries to put themselves through school, which I find acceptable, but there
are some who only seem to aspire to being a professional waiter and I would
suggest they have more ambition.Many porn stars have made this move
from participation to management as small business owners.
I don't see much room for common ground here. I don't find the 1st
Amendment inconvenient, even when people use it in a way I never would. One of
the most precious rights we have in this country is the right to disagree.
Mukkake,I would easily suggest at least a beginning career in fast
food for my loved ones. And, if that truly is where their heart is, it can lead
to a good job/career. My dad was in the military and I have friends who have
been/are. I understand the risks, but I am proud of them and would recommend it
for those so disposed.You are talking about PRODUCTION of
pornography (the folks behind the scenes). Let’s stick to the
actors/models. Many very successful actors/models in mainstream media have no
affinity for or interest in the production side.So please consider,
would you be happy with your loved one being an actor/model for pornography as a
career? Would you encourage their participation? Would you be proud of them
and ask your friends and other family members to support their career by
purchasing and viewing their work product? That is, when your young loved one
comes to you and you think “what a good looking kid” would you then
actually suggest to them a career in pornography to trade on those looks?Please be serious and answer the direct questions posed.
“Why do we keep ambushing ourselves as a race? Where's our sense of
duty to each other?”First, because sex is the second most
important driving force of life. Starting with the young people, it becomes a
search for answers to the secret world hidden from us by our adults. Then it
becomes the exciting and wonderful experience that is better than eating. In
adulthood it may change a little but it seems to never go away. Second, because of the first reason, it is commercially valuable. It can make
the advertising of the most dull products exciting and interesting. One might
ask, where does pornography leave off and advertising begin? Sex is pounded
into our senses at every opportunity by billboards, newspapers, and other media.
Solutions have to include education and truth from the early
awakening for children and a new look at advertising. As one who suffers daily
by the overload of advertising, truth and reality would be a good change.
Twin Lights:[Please be serious and answer the direct questions posed.]I did, please read it again:[If they had to participate in the
industry early on, but later moved into successful
producing/directing/management/support positions, I think that would be
acceptable as well.]If it launches them into a successful career
than, yes. Not as a permanent career, just like fast food, gymnastics, or combat
aren't acceptable to me as permanent careers.
MukkakeSalt Lake City, UTIf they had to participate in the industry
early on, ..., I think that would be acceptable as well.I think I
appreciate your tolerance and acceptance, but you and I have a vastly different
view on what we would be proud of our daughters doing.
There are women in marriage who turn cold or very cool. At this point the man
has these choices. 1. Put up with it, 2. Ease the pressure and stress by viewing
other women undressed, 3. Seek the company of another woman.Given
that choice 3 is an option, and the fact that many men aren't willing to
put up with choice 1 for too long of a time, the case can be made that viewing
pornography can and does help prevent infidelity and save marriages.There are women who are very hurt that their husbands view pornography. If
these women are loving wives, they they have a case. If not, they need to be
aware of the root cause of their problem and deal with it.
cjb: I'm stunned by your comment. You would make the pornography viewer a
victim? You would absolve him of all responsibility for his own bad decisions by
blaming another person? Doesn't that make him, in essence, a slave?
Doesn't that mean someone else is in control of his life?Is
there anything more cowardly than a person who will excuse his weaknesses by
blaming them on someone else?Of all the comments made on here, and
there were plenty of inane ones, this was by far the most offensive.
Re joe5There is one other choice, divorce. Which of the choices
that I pointed out would you recommend?
You forgot "counseling".The unfortunate thing is that
pornography is not speech - entertainment of a vile sort, perhaps, but not
speech. I don't believe we have an Amendment protecting "free
entertainment". I don't believe there is a natural right to produce or
peddle "entertainment" that the community believes to be harmful.
It's unfortunate that we don't have judges who are intelligent enough
to distinguish between entertainment and speech, or who aren't willing to
wade into the conflict between those who wish to preserve decency and those who
wish to destroy it.I'm also pretty sure that pornography
consumption is not what led to the industrial revolution.I like what
Ben Franklin had to say: "Sin is not harmful because it is forbidden, but it
is forbidden because it is harmful."
Twin Lights - I agree with your comments and completely understand your
questions to get others to think. Those that seen porn as a viable
business and a right of our freedom of speech do not share our views about the
sacredness of life and the value of the individual. To compare participation in
the production of porn to waiter jobs and serving in the military and collecting
garbage and then lumping them all together as "services" is pretty
indicative of this fundamental difference.I agree completely with
the author of this article and appaud his clearly stated views. The
fact that we are free to choose in our nation does not make all choices equal.
We are free to make destructive decisions as well as enlightened ones. Comparing
free countries to oppressive ones is not impressive.
Thank you for telling it like it is.
@Utes Fan:"However, on a personal level, if someone you know and love
has an addiction..."I think we need to stop talking about (i.e.,
condemning) the user and turn the discussion to the producer. And I don't
mean the guy in the back room with a cigar in his mouth and clicking away with a
camera. I mean the people who take their clothes of for the camera. And who
might that be? Women of course. 99 percent of pornography involves naked
women. Therein lies the real root of the problem... the elephant in the room
that no one pays attention to.
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