ekuteDespite your mocking hyperbole, there is a natural pecking
order to post season basketball.NCAA > NIT > CBI > CIT
> non participantOf course, every sports fan would prefer see
their team playing in the Big Dance, but just as in football, you sometimes have
to enjoy watching your team play in a lesser bowl/tournament.70 of
124 (56%) of FBS teams played in a bowl or championship game last season148 of 347 (43%) of D-1 basketball teams will play in a post season tournament
this seasonRegardless of how you spin it to help you sleep at night,
it's MUCH better to be playing in any bowl or a post season tournament,
than to be sitting home watching, knowing that your team wasn't even good
enough to be one of the 70 football or 148 basketball teams still playing in the
ekute--I never said " The Nit is better than the NCAA Tournament".
It's a not so bad alternative to nothing.
Good luck from a Ute fan! (It happens.)
@worfI'm convinced! The Nit is better than the NCAA Tournament!
Hmm?NIT---NCAA Tournament* Kentucky(NIT), and some
others would beat more then half the teams in the NCAA tournament.* Some
NIT teams play a home game or two.* Great playing extra games. These are
still division one teams with winning records.* NCAA will have more teams
not winning a championship.* You take what you can get, and improve for
Pac 12 Fever--Such a chip on your shoulder is so immature.If the
natives are embarrassing to your expectations, then perhaps a different pasture
will be to your liking.
Pac 12 FeverWho died and made you blog police?btw, how
is it such a "horrible" conference has the #1-ranked team in the country
and a #1-seed in the NCAA tournament?If you're going to whine
about other bloggers posting delusional comments, at least try to follow your
Re: Worf. Your are delusional Just like all u BYU fans and Utah
fans. As a transplant to this state, you all are the butt of many jokes.
Reading these posts validates this.Richfield HS has a bigger crowd
than the so called great fans for the Utes. Watching a game my friends always
ask is there a snowstorm or are Utah fans really that weak? I would be
embarrassed to post anything as a Utah fan.And BYU, lets face it.
You aren't even a top 80 team to be invited to the big dance. Pat yourself
on the back for the NIT, but if BYU wasn't in it you would care less. NIT
is a losers tournament.. It's a joke and your program has fallen a long
ways. Your conference is weak (2 teams invited horrible /5 Mtn West teams).
And your non conference schedule is pathetic. If u want to be good play
someone.Be enthusiastic and cheer for your team. But quit with the
we are so good talk people. Please.
Let me be the first to say that on this occasion, I was misinformed and stand
I've never had anything against the NIT. Glad it's there.There are plenty of NIT teams that would whip NCAA tournament teams.
Seems like I created quite the controversy with people who don't know how
the CBI or college athletic departments work or make decisions. No, the
"seeding" for the CBI isn't selected based on teams' results
by a selection committee like the NCAA and NIT. Teams pay the tournament for
home court games, hence how the tournament makes a lot of its money, and the
schools that want the (limited) exposure and (also limited) extra competition of
inclusion, but don't want to pay as much money become the visiting
teams.Veritas Aequitas, my sources are personal acquaintances within
the athletic department, so no I won't cite specifically who said it. You
choose to believe it if you wish, or join the others who have come to their own
conclusions on it based on personal opinion. Doesn't matter to me either
way. Good luck tomorrow.
Lots of classy Cougars posting and wishing the Utes good luck in their tourney.
Best of luck to BYU in the NIT, send your seniors out in style!
Just finished checking the Marriott Center online seating map and it looks like
there are only a couple hundred tickets remaining in the lower bowl; looks like
there's going to be a good crowd for tomorrow night's game; at the
very least, the entire lower bowl will be packed, with the west end student
section packed to the rafters.Go Cougs!
We're going to work these guys.They are no good.
Should be neat.
I was hoping utah would have gone to the NIT for the sole purpose of the
possibility of playing the Mighty Cougars another time (in Provo) this year.
Would have been a guaranteed "W" for BYU. Go Cougars!!
"the Utes turned down a CBI invite [because] they preferred not to
travel"That's got to be one of the lamest excuses I've
ever read for being left on the outside looking in at the post season.
StGtoSLCYou really expect us to believe that Utah turned down their
first invitation to a post season tournament in FIVE years because the Utes
weren't willing to travel to some school that they perceived as being
I concur with agb and others. Too many Utah fans who disappeared on Sunday are
now trickling back and taking cheap shots at BYU. I had to smile after reading
several days worth of Chris B comments about the terrible BYU team and the great
Utah team that would run the PAC and go dancing. Funny but I saw no comments
from him since then until today. My take about Utah. I wish Utah
could ahve run the table, it would have been great. Secondly, I wish they had a
couple of more wins so the NIT whould have taken them. My take on
Weber St. I am glad they are in the CIT. They along with BYU have to carry the
banner for the State of Utah into the post season.Finally, my take
on BYU. I am so pleased they get another chance to play again. In my mind it
is quite simple for BYU. If their shooting percentage is in the mid 40's
they will beat UDub. If they shoot in the 30's like they did in San Diego
they will lose. Simple as that.
StGtoSLCSALT LAKE CITY, UT"Alpine Blue and motorbike, from what
I've gathered, the Utes turned down a CBI invite..."=====Gee, could you cite the source?Utah would have jumped at any
chance to get in some more games, see if the "winning streak" was a
fluke, and any chance to show progress. Is Utah too good to travel (as you
asserted), or just not enough money?BYU has a down year, and goes
NIT.Utah has a good year, and goes nowhere.Accepting the
"invite" has left Utah out of postseason play in both football and
basketball. Utah fans need to get used to being left out.
StGtoSLC"...the Utes turned down a CBI invite mostly due to
logistical issues with the University staff hosting the NCAA tournament this
week, and with the women expecting an NIT bid, so hosting would not have been
feasible and they preferred not to travel."So Texas was okay
with traveling to Houston, Tulsa was willing to go to Wright State, but
traveling to, say, Wyoming, was beneath the Utes?
Just a friendly note to patriot in Cedar Hills - Once upon a time the NIT
was THE post season for colleges. Then that 900 pound gorilla - the NCAA -
entered the neighborhood and took over the post season. However, the NIT is
still a great reward for teams with good records, and is very entertaining.
Some of the NIT teams are actually just as good or better than the teams in that
other tournament. Watch it, and enjoy.
BYU fans. Please ignore all of the negativity by utah fans. When they have
nothing to cheer about they turn their frustration to mocking their big brothers
down south. It's typical behavior from a inferior program.BYU should
do well playing UW at home. They are not playing as well toward the end of the
season. I have seen them play recently and they are not as good as their weak
record. They just play in a weak conference.My prediction; every PAC10.2
team will get bounced in the first round with the exception of Arizona. Then we
will see how tough the mighty PAC10.2 really is.
ute trolls should consider their only post-season tournament options; watching
BYU on TV or listening to the Cougars on the radio. When you think that not
being invited to a tournament is better than being invited, reality has long
patriot"The NIT = the tournament for the losers."Kind of like all of the bowls, including the bcs bowls, will be as soon as the
playoffs start in 2014.
StGtoSLC"Alpine Blue and motorbike, from what I've
gathered, the Utes turned down a CBI invite mostly due to logistical issues with
the University staff hosting the NCAA tournament this week, and with the women
expecting an NIT bid, so hosting would not have been feasible and they preferred
not to travel."What a crock! You're trying to spin that
Utah's athletic staff couldn't handle hosting ONE home basketball game
at the HC, while they were hosting the NCAA tournament at ESA. Is Utah's
athletic staff really that incompetent? Did the Utes also cancel all of their
home matches in every other sport this week?The truth is, Utah
simply wasn't invited to the CBI.btw, Utah is hosting UVU in
baseball on Tuesday.
This game, to me, all depends on which team is able to force the tempo. I think
if BYU is able to run their game like they want to and get the score up in the
80s, they probably win a close one. If UW can slow it down, run their half court
sets, and work the ball inside, they'll probably win with the score in the
60s or 70s. It will definitely take at least a few guys stepping up for UW to do
it, though. Wilcox and co. will have to hit outside shots to get BYU out of the
zone defense, and when that happens, they are just too awful in man to match up
with the athletes the Huskies have. The player to watch that most of you
probably don't know yet: Andrew Andrews (not joking), very good athlete
with a lot of potential in his future.
A nice gesture on the part of BYU's athletic department. BYU is picking up
most of the tab for students. NIT entry is free for students with a
BYU All-Sports Pass; $4 for students w/o a pass. Reserved seats for the General
Public are $10.00. Wish I could be there, but I'll be watching on ESPN.Go Cougars!
Alpine Blue and motorbike, from what I've gathered, the Utes turned down a
CBI invite mostly due to logistical issues with the University staff hosting the
NCAA tournament this week, and with the women expecting an NIT bid, so hosting
would not have been feasible and they preferred not to travel. Either way, I for
one am glad they are not going to the CBI. I, too, hope that soon the larger
in-state schools can become regulars at the NCAAs again, though. It'll take
some steady progress from Utah, and most likely BYU overtaking SMC in their
probation years, so we'll see what happens.
The NIT = the tournament for the losers. I have always wondered why they even
hold this tournament. This is sort of like not making the basketball team but
you get to play ward ball instead.
In a quick read of the Seattle Times, fans there expect the Huskies to lose
because their team is streaky and commits too many turnovers late in the game.
Who knows? Could be a good game.
@motorbike"Bummer my Utes couldn't get the CBI invite ... no
prestige in that, but I'd have liked to see them play a few more games if
they could've kept on winning.Bottom line, the future looks
bright for both Utah and BYU - not to mention the always well coached Weber
State Wildcats and USU Aggies."Nice post. I was hoping to see
the utes get the invite after how well they performed in the Pac 12 tourney.
Like you said, it's not a prestigious tourney but it would be a nice reward
for finishing the season strong and give the young guys returning next season
something to build on. I think Coach Krysko is on the right track with his
@AZute1"byu's only hope, short of Haws making 5M 3s, is to pray
UW self-destructs [i.e., gets themselves into foul-trouble]....Otherwise, UW
will physically beat-up a soft, finesse byu team"(yawn)......meh....if the utes can beat them by double digits in Seattle they
can't be very good. Nice try but nobody is buying it. The Pac12 just
isn't that scary of a BBall conference anymore. Both St Marys or Gonzaga
would have cut through the P12 with very little effort (hot knife through
butter).Tell you what, save your scary Pac12 Bball stories for late
at night around the campfire at Scout camp this summer. Maybe they will scare
some of the 12 yr old Scouts and keep them up all night...Wooo-ooooooo! brrrrrr!
Congrats to the cougars. I never understood why anyone was concerned they
wouldn't be invited to the NIT. With a large arena that usually draws a
pretty good crowd, it was a no brainer for a team that also finished with a
decent RPI.With the home court advantage I just don't see any
reason they can't beat UW. It should be a good ball game though. My bet is
that CJ Wilcox will disappear in this one. I hate to say it, but he's
disappeared whenever he's had a chance to shine against teams from his home
state (the U of U). I just wonder if performing for his home state gets in his
head a bit.Bummer my Utes couldn't get the CBI invite ... no
prestige in that, but I'd have liked to see them play a few more games if
they could've kept on winning.Bottom line, the future looks
bright for both Utah and BYU - not to mention the always well coached Weber
State Wildcats and USU Aggies.
LonestarRunner68 + 32 + 16 + 32 = 148 teams invited to post season
tournamentsWith 148 teams invited to post season tournaments, its
nice to see that #92 Weber State was invited to the CIT, but difficult to
understand why #108 Utah State wasn't invited to the CBI or CIT. It's
not hard to understand why #152 Utah was left on the outside looking in.
Surprised that given Utah's magnificent run through to the PAC-10
tournament semi-finals that they were not chosen for either the CIT or CBI.
Lot of teams with worse records still playing. Seems more like a lack of
respect for the PAC-10 body of work than it does against the Utes.No
doubt this trend will end next year (2014)as both the Cougs and Utes will once
again qualify for the Big Dance. Or at least both to the NIT.A
bold prediction: in 2015 both BYU and Utah will be invited to the NCAA
tournament and both make some noise at the dance! And hopefully USU, Weber,
and SUU as well. Time to bring some glory back to the state of
Utah, as it has been a long time since the state was not represented at all.
Not too long ago, there was a time when there were 4 Utah schools invited to the
Credit the byu fans, no doubt they will fill their arena in support of their
team.Does this team have it in them to show they deserve that support?@worfWhat do you think about byu playing in the NIT?
Post season basketball, and football games.BYU are the state
champions, and the University of Utah.
Pecking Order of Post Season TournamentsNCAA - On Thursday, Gonzaga
takes on Southern in the second round of the West Regional at Salt Lake City.
The Zags will be relishing their first No. 1 seed.NIT - Kentucky a
No. 1 seed in NIT; the Wildcats, last season's national champions, will
have to settle for trying to win the NIT. BYU hosts Washington, Tuesday night on
ESPN.CBI - Out of the NCAA tournament for the first time in 15
years, Texas coach Rick Barnes and the Longhorns (16-17) aren't going to
the NIT, either. Instead, they accepted an invite to the lower-level CBI and
will play at Houston on Wednesday night in a matchup of former powers in the
16-team tournament.CIT - The 2013 CollegeInsider Tournament (CIT)
schedule is set, with Weber State and 31 other teams vying for the championship.
68 + 32 + 16 + 32 = 148 team invited to post season tournaments
Hey ChrisB. I watched some of the PAC12 games this week end. I believe Utah is
headed the right direction. Even though they didn't do too well this
season at least they have dominated their former rivals this year and for
previous how many years. Right?
Good match up, any way you slice it, Lorenzo Romar is a great recruiter, but a
horrible coach. BYU has a great chance of winning this game; especially playing
Chris B - "Considering Washington is a top 100 RPI team that does not bode
well for byu."Considering U have marked down a loss for BYU,
that bodes very well for BYU.Expect a lot of comments from Utes this
week, since they have nothing to do with no post season play for their team;
just like in football.Oregon, winner of PAC12 tourney, getting a 12
seed in NCAA? The selection committee do not have much love or respect for the
PAC12.BYU vs Washington - forget RPI, forget seeding. This game is
at the Marriott Center, where the Cougs winning percentage is around 90%. The
Cougs took the Zags to the final minute at the Marriott Center. This game is
WCC vs PAC12. Cougs all the way!
Told you BYU would host the NIT. NIT is all about money (fan base) and size of
the Arena.Let's be real honest here. Everyone thinks they know
who is going to win this game. The answer is both can win depending on how they
play and of course who has the hot hand. If one team is off or gets into trouble
the other will win. Simple fact. Both are good teams and both are capable of
beating better teams. Both can win. That is why these tournaments are often a
bit unrealistic (but exciting) as you may get a higher seed beat a great team
but I guarantee it that if they played best 4 our of 7 the better team would win
all but one or maybe 2 if really lucky. Who wins does not always determine the
best team. BYU good luck. You have the home court and the ability to
win. To quote a famous person "Don't Muff it"
AZUTE1More weak schedule smack from a team that scheduled one of the
weakest OOC schedules in the country?Talk about weak conference; the
mighty PAC 12 tourney champion got a #12 seed against the runner-up from the
MWC; the runner-up from the WCC tourney got a #11 seed. The PAC had several
decent teams, but no top flight teams.Seeding by ConferenceWCC
- #1, #11MWC - #3, #5, #7, #8, #13PAC - #6, #6, #10, #12, #12
AZUTE Please dont think we didn't notice your pre fabricated excuses
hiding your straw men wrapped in hyperbole. As comments continue to
come in from U fans, it will be interesting to see if the same U fans who were
exited about Utah's purported post season chances from an article a couple
days ago, knock BYU for their NIT bid. BYU can beat UW but they need
to come out of the gate fast, and shoot well from the outside to offset UWs
"Despite your hyperbole, Washington is VERY beatable. The Huskies have lost
10 of their last 16 games, including losses to #119 USC(14-18), #152 Utah(15-18)
and #180 OSU(14-18)."Spin doesn't fly w/me....You failed to
include the fact that UW has played both USC AND OSU since they lost to them and
beat them BOTH, unlike byu's effort to repay USD, only to get bounced from
their weak conference's tourney w/out winning a single game.Go
ahead and take a look at USC's schedule....Not to mention, these teams you
make a vain attempt to mock, not only played against a tough SOS, but
they've ALL achieved something entirely foreign to byu--Beating RPI Top-50
schools.Byu has recently lost to RPI #160 USD twice and RPI #166 USF
at home in brutal fashion and hasn't beat either since....UW's SOS is
virtually 3 times tougher than byu's....Seriously, other than Big Sky
Montana at home way back in November, which school currently Dancing did byu
beat? How about a meaningful win in let's say the past month? AND USU
NITWhoopty freakin do.I am looking forward to the real
March Madness and tournament though.
@ Chris B, AZUte et.al.BYU = winning record, higher ranking,
post-season play 8th straight yearUtah = losing record, lower ranking,
none and done again...and again...add in the never-ending U fan
rallying cry "head-to-head"therefore, regardless...BYU >
Utah unless you have a red goggle prescription.the current modus
operandi is still in place...U fan pins their post-season hopes for
happiness,i.e. hatred for BYU, on a team in the PAC 12 not named Utah."But hey...we're in the PAC 12"...whatever...Sept is a long
azute1"If BYU and TENN both win, and BYU is the #3 seed and TENN
is the #2 seed, why would RD-2 be played in Provo and not in Knoxville?"Because Tennessee is hosting the first and second rounds of the
Women's NCAA Tournament."UW has been their own worst enemy
this season"Is that how they lost at home to Utah?Despite your hyperbole, Washington is VERY beatable. The Huskies have lost 10
of their last 16 games, including losses to #119 USC(14-18), #152 Utah(15-18)
and #180 OSU(14-18).
Interesting note: The WCC's finest, GU, barely escaped WAZZU, The
PAC-12's last-place finisher, by merely 2 points this season....GU got
straight lucky to do so, in fact....Then they move-on to play against their
typically weak CFSS, which ranked #133.
If byu and TENN both win, and byu is the #3 seed and TENN is the #2 seed, why
would RD-2 be played in provo and not in Knoxville?UW outplayed UO
last Thursday, despite losing the game in the end....Undisciplined team, in
general, but playing above themselves as of late....I don't see byu
winnining it, particularly if they can't handle N'Diaye/Kemp
Jr./Simmons on the boards, especially N'Diaye....Superior physical
specimens who are absolutely relentless on the offensive-boards....Short of
bringing aboard a few football players, byu has nobody to match them,
N'Diaye in particular....Gaddy is an all-around stud who will run circles
around byu's unathletic guards.byu's only hope, short of
Haws making 5M 3s, is to pray UW self-destructs [i.e., gets themselves into
foul-trouble]....Otherwise, UW will physically beat-up a soft, finesse byu team
which is currently reeling....This isn't USD/USF....UW has been their own
worst enemy this season, but possesses endless elite-talent.
3grandslamsNo need to worry about BYUtv broadcasting the game - the
game will be broadcast on ESPN.
I think this BYU team would have done much more this year for Dave Rose had he
had the services of 2-3 players that either were forced out due to prepetual
undealing injuries or scholarship logisitics issues. Chris Collinsworth, Steven
Rogers or Damarcus Harrison...2 of those 3 could have made the difference in BYU
winning more WCC games, and being more competative against the rest of the field
they weren't with this past year.I think however if BYU wants
the respect and presiege they desire in the future, circumstances need to come
together for them to join a "real" conference like the Big 12. Dave
Rose or any other coach at BYU will have their hands tied so far as being able
to recruit the best possible LDS athletes to play for the university. While
Gonzaga received a #1 seed in the west this year, this has come more as a
cumulative record over years and the lack of any other serious competitiors
available from the Pac-12 conference. Those circumstance without question can
and will change and the WCC will revert to being a one bid league hurting BYU
more often than not.
Generous seed. Hopefully the Cougs will make the most of this post season
opportunity. Every extra game helps prepare for next season. Maybe the long
layoff will rejuvenate this team.....but I'm not holding my breath.
Nice bid for the Cougars especially considering the way they finished the
regular season and tournament. It'd be great to get at least a couple more
games in, if for nothing else gaining experience.
There could be worse things that could happen to a program I guess. Going to the
post season is always a bright side.
Homecoming of sorts for C.J. Wilcox. Half the Marriot Center could be full of
fans from the Pleasant Grove area. Too bad they'll be cheering for the Y
though.8 for 8 for Coach Rose, 6 NCAA and 2 NIT. Pretty impressive,
I'd say.Rise and shout!
One can clearly say that BYU gets much more respect form rest of the basketball
world than they, undeservedly, get from the Ute fans.In these
forums, I Wrote, after the notre dame game,That BYU did not have the
horses, depth and size, to compete with the big boys and make NCAA tourney, and
further more that they would be in the NIT and play a couple games because
they have the home court advantage in at least the first game.So far
everything has come to pass.Now looking at who is in their bracket,
I would would say they have chance to up to play 3 games making the final
eight of the NIT providing they can win on the road. Which right now is about
50/50.Good luck BYU. Make the state proud. And hopefully
BYU can make the improvements needed for next season.
C.J. Wilcox vrs Tyler Haws. PG vrs Lone Peak. They were both great high school
players and left all of us, who were lucky enough to see them against each
other, with many great memories. Both have had good success at the D1 level.
Will be a great battle.
Considering Washington is a top 100 RPI team that does not bode well for byu.
Go Cougars! Surprised at the 3 seed, glad to be hosting, hope BYUtv will be able
to broadcast it.
Welcome back to Utah county to C.J. Miles.
Nice seed and bracket for BYU and a great chance to advance past the second
round playing the first two games at home.Good luck Cougars!
Congratulations BYU on your 8th straight post-season tournament.BYU
has a great chance of hosting its first two NIT games against Washington and the
winner of the Tenn/Mercer game.I'll be there Tuesday night.Go Cougs!