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Published: Sunday, March 17 2013 1:17 p.m. MDT

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Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

The citizenship test declares suffrage as our most important right. Each of us ought to be required to prove we are eligible to vote.

Back in the amnesty days each of us was required to prove our citizenship by filling out our first I-9 form and submit documents of proof. (I had been working for that company for NINE YEARS at the time.)
Likewise, we trudged down to the Social Security office with our children and their birth certificates to have a card issued before they could start school. No one filed a law suit then.
But the government botched amnesty enforcement and now ONE THIRD of all foreign-born are here illegally. Yes, I want the law enforced. Yes, I will show the registrar my birth certificate to vote. It's that important.
Now, if you want to make voter registration harder and take it away from paid political activists, that would fix the problem. How about making everyone register at the police station? I'm for that.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

The article mentioned that the numbers of illegal voters were taken from those who admitted voting illegally.. The actual numbers could be much, much higher. Most of those who did so illegally will never admit it.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Voting is a right, a person shouldn't have to jump
through hoops to exercise a right. Nor are these
hoops necessary.

If Arizona has evidence of
voter fraud, let them present this evidence before
a judge and if the evidence is sufficient, the judge
Will disqualify that person.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Prove citizenship when registering to vote before the election. But not at the election site on election day.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Can non-citizens vote? If non-citizens cannot vote and if non-citizens have voted in the past, then the only method that will restore order to the voting process is to require those that vote show that they are eligible to vote.

Citizenship has responsibilities. If it is too much to ask that a person be known by the election judges as a citizen who has the right to cast a ballot, then that citizen shouldn't be trusted with the responsibility of voting.

RichardB
Murray, UT

"The Obama administration is supporting challengers to the law."

Why would the President of the United States want non-citizens to vote? If I remember right Utah did a study in 2005 and found several hundred people had registered that were here illegally.

8 0f the 11 hijackers that were here illegally (overstayed visas) were registered to vote.

In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. 3% would be enough to change Florida's vote in the 2000 election, giving Gore the Presidency.

A incumbent lost in 1996 in Cal;California by 979 votes, 624 invalid votes by non-citizens who were present in the U.S were discovered because they had applied for citizenship. Another 124 improper absentee ballots were found belonging to non citizens. The investigation, however, could not detect illegal aliens, who were not in the INS records.

Can we ever trust our government over illegal immigration? I don't think we can.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

The President hasn't shown us his birth certificate on his own.

We could put people on buses, boats and aircraft to get them to come here to vote. The attempt to keep military members from actually having their vote count when they sent in a ballot has happened in several elections.

I remember for 20 years in the military always having to find out when local elections were, request an absentee ballot and hopefully getting it and then mailing the vote in the specified timeframe. It was not easy for an absentee voter back then. States offer people so many ways to vote legally at the polls, early polls, and by absentee ballot for citizens.

When we lived in Illinois, Mississippi, Arizona, Texas, Germany and the Philippines, it was not always easy to vote by absentee since we were residents of Washington State. It has been so nice to be residents in Utah and vote at the polls or early voting.

Citizens are the what makes our country different than a lot of other places in the world. Can you picture how many refugees live across the border? We have people that come here to work and few refugees.

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

The Constitution states that poll taxes are illegal. If a person is required to show a government document that must be purchased in order to vote, that amounts to a poll tax. If we want to require these documents to be shown, then they must be provided without charge.

Perhaps, one free birth certificate per person. Just throwing out an idea ...

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Dear cjb and GZE, go and read teh 15th Amendment to the Constitution sometime. Also the 19th and the 24th and 26th Amendments.

Requiring valid ID does not amount to a "poll tax". Voting is a perk of being a citizen. If you are not a citizen, you are not allowed to vote. If you can't prove you are a citizen, you can't vote.

Badger55
Nibley, Ut

I honestly do not see the issue with proving citizenship. You show up, show your proper documentation, then vote. It is pretty simple actually. The only reason I can see people not wanting to do this is because they might not have the proper documentation. Voting is only a right if you are a citizen. And, if non-citizens have admitted to voting, something needs to change immediately.

HS Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

You should have to prove you're a citzen before you register to vote just like you should have prove your age and have the proper credentials to get a driver's license. I find it contradicting that a lot of posters here arguing a person should have to prove citzenship before registering to vote are the same ones that think you should not have to prove anything to get or carry a gun. Hmmmm?

Maudine
SLC, UT

I love the fact that people want to make it harder to vote than to own a gun. Talk about wacky priorities!

zoar63
Mesa, AZ

You have to proove citizenship to get a passport, why is providing proof of citzenship to vote any different?

JWB
Kaysville, UT

It has to do with voting and electing someone that the entitled person wants to be the President or other U.S. elected official. Remember that people that are entitled don't want a person that is going to threaten their lifestyle to change the entitlement process. In the 1930s when the entitlement type programs were promoted by a President that was elected 4 times? He would still be in office today if he hadn't died as he was the great proponent of entitlement programs that still exist today.

When the President pushed Congress for his enactments, the country was still filled with immigrants of the past 50 years and the war scenario was coming upon us. Little did the people realize that with the programs after WWII with the GI bill and Marshall plan that the whole world would become entitled. The GI bill was a good program but when GIs got that then other people wanted to have the FHA loans and free college bills. It grows little by little until we pay Pakistan 100s of Millions of dollars as a freebie. Money is cheap and becoming cheaper for this Administration to give, give and give more.

joseywales
Park City, UT

Maudine- How so? To buy my last gun, I had to fill out a form for a background check, I then had to wait for that to be approved, and then still had to have proper ID with me as well. When registering to vote, you have to have ID right? Why is it so hard to show proof of citizenship as well? Why is it so hard to understand that only US citizens are allowed to vote, so it should be rather obvious that you should have to prove your citizenship. I've been turned down for a drink because I didn't have my ID with me, and I'm in my 40's. Maybe I should just whine and complain like liberals are about this subject and maybe we could just do away with that pesky "must have ID to buy booze" thing as well? I mean, if I say I'm legal, that should be enough right?

JanSan
Pocatello, ID

I always figured that this is how we ended up with the President that we now have. Maybe he is looking to change other things like how many times a President can run for office and wants to be sure that he AGAIN will have all the votes he needs to get back in office again. The old saying "You scratch my back and I will scratch yours" sure has worked well for him in the past-why not in the future.

suezeekay
Fairfield, CA

I don't know what is required to register to vote via the federal system but it could be a good way to get illegals to register, compare the names against the IRS data base and not only locate them but find out if they are paying taxes. Now that we know the federal government has the capability to keep track of us in many ways this could be feasible.

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