Published: Sunday, March 17 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
Background checks would cover mental illness.Utah's Constitutitonal
carry law would not.Utah has the highest rate of mental illness and
anti-depressant use in the nation.You tell me this isn't a
recipe for disaster...
Republicans could take up the issue and make some proposals. Ideas?
The only people making this a debate about guns only are the ones advocating
that nothing be done about the access to guns - by anyone. Certainly many of
the tragic events of the past several years have been committed by people with
mental illness and keeping guns out of their hands should be our first priority.
But we would be desecrating the graves of so many other victims of gun violence
if we blamed all the deaths on mental illness. Our national
discourse should be about all the causes of why gun deaths in our country far
exceed those of any other industrialized nations in the world and what can be
done to stop it. But as long as those who actually profit from gun sales, and
those who support them, have their way, the only news we will hear is how the
government is supposedly plotting to deny American citizens of their Second
Amendment rights. In the end, it is that zealous, narrow focus that will cost
all of us our rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
I don't think that mental health has gone out of the picture. But it seems
that this letter is written to suggest a red herring, a way of discrediting
those that want to control certain "unusual and dangerous" weapons.
The people who want absolutely no regulations on guns are the same people who
want to prevent the government from providing low-cost, or no-cost mental health
All excellent comments -- so far.Tackling mental illness and guns
will be a horribly complex and expensive job. Are we really willing to do
it?Or are the pro-gun forces simply hoping to continue raising such
a fuss that sensible people finally give up and surrender to the gun lobby?
A recent international conference in China was held about how to increase trust
and cooperation between nations. The Chinese hosts declared that no progress
can be achieved until other nations correct their "mis perceptions"
about China, including our not silencing the Dalai Lama, allowing the NY Times
to publish articles uncomplimentary of China, even the City of Corvallis, Oregon
not destroying a Pro-Tibet, Pro-Taiwan mural on a wall of a private citizen."No progress can be made until everyone agrees with us."The gun debate is much the same way here. Maybe if Democrats were to
chant in unison "guns are good, guns don't kill people, people kill
people, the Constitution guarantees unlimited gun ownership, guns are good",
THEN we could move on to other aspects of the problem.Everyone needs
to gree that guns have nothing to do with mass murders like Aurora and Sandy
Hook, then we can proceed.
Our inability to talk about gun control at all may be a sign of mental illness
Hutt, you may really be on to something there . . . .
It is a complex, and as a grieving nation, many are looking somewhere to pin the
blame. Guns are scary, deadly, and kill people, and so they seem to have
garnered the most heat in the debate.Nevertheless, the entertainment
industry (with its incredibly violent movies, video games, etc), has a part to
play in this, as does the drug industry and psychiatric drugs, which are at
least partly responsible for distorted views of reality that lead normal people
to do really stupid things.Is it something that can be solved with a
quick fix? Certainly not...but the fact that these are issues that need to be
addressed is something I think most sensible people can agree on.
The Left cares more about disarming innocent law-abiding citizens, making them
defenseless,than they care about solving any real problems.But then again it is all about control.If you want central
control over your life and everything, then go Left, otherwise go Right for true
individual liberty and answers to real problems.Obviously the Left
will deny and attack, but what have they done over the last hundred years that
has not contributed to government power over you?Yes lets fix the
real problems, like mental illness and societal and cultural ills, and stop
this silly and very dangerous nonsense about guns.
No government program has made health care low cost. It has made it more
expensive and passed that 'higher than ever bill' to the tax payers.
We have government subsidized drug companies selling hyper-inflated priced mind
altering medications, and giving the mental health care providers generous
kickbacks from those drugs, most of which are more dangerous than snake oil. Concealed gun carriers are enabled to defend themselves and society
against those mentally ill whose parents keep and give them access to guns. That
is the best protection society can offer. Way better than a cell phone with a
dispatcher on the other end.
Paranoia, the driving force behind the push for greater access to guns ("the
feds are coming to take my guns," "I've got to protect my castle
from invasion," "good guys with guns are needed to fight the bad guys
with guns," etc.) is itself a mental illness, as defined in the Diagnostic
and Statistical Manual, the bible for psychiatrists and psychologists. Here's another symptom of paranoia: The gun rights zealots are
"afraid" that if we focused too much attention on the mental illness
aspect of the gun violence problem, we might, ironically, end up targeting them.
We actually talk a lot about mental illness. It's just that we have no way
of knowing which of the millions of Americans with mental illness will suddenly
become violent. And there are lots of undiagnosed mentally ill people who own
guns. In fact, as has been pointed out, the most dangerous of them may be the
ones most adamant about keeping the guvmint from confiscating their weaponry.
According to the medias twisted view of things, shooters are only "mentally
ill" until their court hearing and then they are "sane". If people
really cared about mental illness, these guys would be not guilty by reason of
insanity, treated, and let go.
Let me ask you this question? Lets say the anti-gun leftists have
their way and the people they want to have guns begin abusing their power.
Who's going to stop them from doing that? People have guns so
they don't have to use them. Because people wouldn't dare turn into
tyrants then. Your anti-gun ways lead to tyranny and oppression. But I think
thats what they really want. They've been indoctrinated to hate freedom.
Some people make bad choices that's life so GET OVER IT.
Curmedgon."I've got to protect my castle from
invasion," "good guys with guns are needed to fight the bad guys with
guns," etc.) is itself a mental illness, as defined in the Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual, the bible for psychiatrists and psychologists."If the DSM defined breathing as a mental illness would you believe it? This is
drivel from people that want to get rich from the junk pills that they sell.
They don't care how all of these mass shooters were on some form of
psychotropic drug when they did what they did. In fact, drugged induced
aggression makes even more money for them.
..very simple it's called 'opportunity politics' which is
Barack's favorite brand. Use some crisis - real or fabricated - to push
some other agenda. This is how ALL demagogs work. Barack and his band of
radicals couldn't care less about a 'safer America' and their
only agenda is to ban all guns in America which is the true socialist - Marxist
- communist model. It's all about control and power over the people and the
left won't stop until they get their way. Yes mental illness is the
'real' issue with shootings like Sandyhook but you won't find the
'cheer leading media' reporting anything other than banning guns.
@Truthseeker"Republicans could take up the issue and make some
proposals. Ideas?"Well, there was a budding conversation about
how Hollywood glorifies and encourages violence - but since they fund the left
and control the narrative - that didn't last very long did it?Nope - only one response is politically correct for the intolerant left -
everything else is either aggressively silenced or passive/aggressively
dismissed as being "bigoted"
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