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Published: Friday, March 15 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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one old man
Ogden, UT

Brett, you just don't understand that to a conservative, nothing is more important than MONEY.

Doug10
Roosevelt, UT

Utah cannot afford to maintain ist current land mass, why would anyone want to give it more land to mismanage?

Ben H
Clearfield, UT

I have to admire all of the county commissioners in the rural parts of Utah, especially in the southern third of the state. For example, Garfield County can only levy taxes on 3% of the land in their county. The rest is owned by the Federal Government and is exempt from property tax. They have to hope that they can make up the difference through tourist dollars, which in this economy run a little thin.

That is the reason why people like the man who wrote this letter and others are short-sided. It is real easy to say...this is what you should do because I'm smarter than you. It is not so easy to do when you are the ones who actually has to balance the books.

Yes, Conservatives are all about the money. Making money the right way. Taxing it the right way. And spending it the right way. It's the same for our lands. If we use our lands the right way, we don't have to leave a big burden of debt to our children.

Steve C. Warren
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Excellent letter, Brett. Some of the same people who are looking longingly at Utah's federal lands are also drooling over land currently occuppied by the state prison.

P.S. To Ben H: There's nothing wrong with being "short-sided." I'm fairly long-sided myself, which gives me an advantage at basketball.

Owl
Salt Lake City, UT

The word "Industry" has several possible meanings e.g. industrious vs. industrial. The Utah beehive implies hard work, not steel mills. Starting out your argument with a misconception does not increase credibility.

4601
Salt Lake City, UT

Brett,
You don't understand that liberals are all about spending other peoples money and then demonizing them for having it.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

one old man, you just don't understand that to a liberal, nothing is more important than spending other people’s MONEY.

I am sure that statement did not cause anyone to change their mind any more than your original statement did - it is merely meant to illustrate the ineffectiveness of your petty stereotypes. Many people are conservative by default - being completely repelled by bully liberalism.

BTW: I do not support the transfer of federal lands to Utah ownership, but I do think rural counties have legitimate revenue concerns, Utah should consolidate its school trust lands and more public lands should be in the national park system (which has the benefit of attracting tourism money)

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Garfield and other counties also receive payment in lieu of taxes from the people of the USA who own the land, so their heroism is a bit overstated by Ben H. One of the great ironies we have chosen to liven with is that conservatives conserve nothing and will not be satisfied until every natural resource in this state has been pillaged for short-term gain.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

4601,liberals have nothing on the Conservatives when it comes to spending money. The difference is conservatives just start wars and don't pay for it or force Medicare to pay retail for drugs rather than negotiate like the VA does, or force the PO to pay for 75 yrs worth of retirement in 10 years then complain they are losing money. Conservatives are good at racking up debt then blaming the next guy. No one invents more creative ways to tax than conservatives. They may cut your property tax here but raise your sales tax there.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

Wow, the liberals are really out today.

Here is the problem. Current laws for logging can actually be beneficial to the forest and the state. The liberals would rather allow the forests to grow and become huge tinderboxes that burn millions of acres of land. You liberals are loving the land to death.

By allowing commercial uses of the private land we can help manage the forest and keep them healthy, rather than allowing them to get too old and decay.

Plus, if we allow some mineral, oil, and gas extraction on the royalties can go to schools and the general fund for the state.

Come on liberals, explain why you think it is a good idea to make our forests more fire prone while cutting Utah out of the possible royalties from using the land.

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

Said like a true Easterner.

Why does the Federal government "own" land in the states, anyway? They shouldn't. Decisions and control should be local. That's just common sense.

The claims of pandering to industry and destroying the land are ludicrous. No one wants that less than those who live in and enjoy the land.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

ugottabkidn,
really??

You don't know that BO ran up more debt in 38 months than bush did in 96 and you say liberal don't spend more than conservatives?

You don't know that bush had smaller deficits when he had repub congresses than when he had demonrat congresses and you say liberela don't spend more?

You don't know that BO has had smaller deficits with a repub house than with a demonrat house and you say liberals don't spend more?

You missed BO's state of the disunion speech where he laid out MORE spending proposals but suggested no spending cuts and you say liberal don't spend more?

oh, please stop, my side aches from laughing!

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Counter Intelligence Said:
"Many people are conservative by default - being completely repelled by bully liberalism."
Except the bullies on the radio that so many here blindly trust.

"BTW: I do not support the transfer of federal lands to Utah ownership, but I do think rural counties have legitimate revenue concerns, Utah should consolidate its school trust lands and more public lands should be in the national park system (which has the benefit of attracting tourism money)"

I have noticed you are quite independent from your conservative associates on these boards when it comes to the environment, and I agree with you. I however, don't believe you are in the majority of conservatives with your convictions about wild places as is seen above.

You've have given me hope that not all conservatives believe that our natural resources should be used up before our greedy kids get them. Thank You.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Ben said: "Yes, Conservatives are all about the money. Making money the right way. Taxing it the right way."

Really? Then why are conservatives completely dead set against any increase in taxes and the revenues that would produce to allow a balanced budget?

But, since Reagan, Bush, Nixon, Bush II and others all raised taxes and it was okay then, please explain why it's not now?

10CC
Bountiful, UT

As an indication of how well the state would manage ownership of additional land, let's examine the State's stewardship of their portion of the land as it was allocated at statehood, the Utah School Trust land.

Oops, it looks like half of that land no longer is owned by the State! That issue didn't take long to analyze, and a failing grade assigned.

What's their next idea?

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Lost, you are, wrong. Open the CBO website. Those wars of yours weren't free although you act as though they were. Medicare part D, a law passed during the 2006 lame duck session by a show of hands that prevevent Medicare from buying in bulk and negotiating reduced prices all done during with a republican majority. Then you have your little econonmic downturn because Washington was purchased by Wall Street. Take all this away and you got virtually no deficits.

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