Comments about ‘My view: The immigration debate's hoax’

A very well written look at how business and some government leaders are turning their heads, ignoring the future implications of their actions.

Part of my family are from Mexico, they came here legally. They had to obey the laws, and could not apply for any welfare help for 5 years. (they have never used welfare). Most of their children now find themselves competing with those here illegally for jobs. We are taking away the ability of low and middle income people to support their families. That tears families apart.

The lack of compassion for our citizens out of work, and the legal immigrants, should have Americans up in arms. Reuter's latest poll shows Thirty percent of those polled think that most illegal immigrants, with some exceptions, should be deported, while 23 percent believe all illegal immigrants should be deported.

Only 5 percent believe all illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay in the United States legally, and 31 percent want most illegal immigrants to stay. Our leaders need to listen to the people for a change.

We all have out personal boundary. The limit is money It's always about money.

Can't you combine the two identical articles and move the comments to just one? This is confusing, and I am sure it's not your intention.

No one (at least no one rational) is opposed to legal immigration. Its the illegal part we have a problem with.

Most of us are in agreement that we have to follow the laws of the land, even the ones we don't like. Thats why our country hasn't reduced itself to anarchy.

We already have a regulated system of legal immigration. The only thing wrong with it is that it doesn't get enforced very well.

Now our "leaders" tell us if they are given a "new" system of immigration - all will be well.
Why should we believe that?

How about this; as a "good faith effort" lets see the U.S. government begin to enforce the system already in place. When we see a few unethical businessmen arrested and charged and/or a few workplaces raided, some of the confidence we used to have in the federal government might come back.

THEN we can talk about another "new" immigration system.

Incoherence aside, Mr. Sherrod fails to address the obvious fact that 11 million "ill-eagles" have put down roots in the USA, that they are the essential workers who do what the rest of us will not do, and that they are the most vulnerable people in our society. They are of a species called "human beings" that should be treated with compassion and care, not driven into despair by right-wing ideologues who can barely conceal their racism.

To "Irony Guy" let me repharase what you are saying, and translate it into reality.

You don't want to help your slaves improve their lives, you like to keep them righ where they are.

Without forcing the illegals to go back to their native countries and come here the correct way we are establishing essentially a slave labor class of people in the US. Just recently the DN ran an article about a man who came here legally from Mexico, started a job sweeping floors with Overstock and now has entered into one of their high paying jobs. That is an immigrant success story.

You and your ilk want to have the illegal immigrants come here, and mow your lawn forever.

The best thing we can do to help the illegals is to humble ourselves and realize that there are no jobs that US citizens won't do.

Illegal immigration is wrong and we should punish people for their actions. What solves the problem though of illegal immigration? Does Chris Herrod know anyone in the hispanic community? Has he engaged in dialogue with them? Has he tried to see their point of view as well as his own?

Mitt Romney lost the hispanic vote because he had no grassroots movement imbeded in those communities not because of some stupid poll. Chris Herrod only sees the part where the law was broken and the undesirables in the hispanic community and not how to allow them to repent from their crimes and try to help grow our society and this is why republicans are losing hispanic support. Those "anchor babies" are growing up and voting Democrat because the republicans won't go and talk to them where as the Democrats will! Think about it Chris, if you were brought here as an illegal child immigrant or your were born into an illegal immigrant family how would you view yourself and Republicans?

"The Hammer" The problem is solved by e-verify. I don't know about Chris Herrod, but I do know MANY illegals. They are experts at gaming the system.

But the employers are much worse.
For some reason....... some employers don't seem to notice any problem when a newly hired employee submits a social security number in the name of "Jane Smith" and turns out to be a 40 yr. hispanic male who likes to be called "Juan".

That's just the ones who don't pay illegals "under the table".

The last time I heard of any employer being raided was approx 5 yrs. ago at the meat packing plant in Smithfield.
Under the current admnistration employers (of illegal aliens) have little to worry about.

Another way to look at it: if you were a contractor (roofing)how would YOU like to compete with a business that pays its laborers $7.00 per hr. "under the table", while you were trying to keep your crews' wages at .......gasp.......$10.00 per hr.?

I would say that is unfair competition, wouldn't you?

To "Fitness Freak" you should let people know why E-Verify is easy to circumvent. If I hire somebody as a 1099 employee, contractor, parnterships, or pay cash under the table I would not have to use e-verify.

The partnerships are the easiest to set up. All an illegal needs is 1 legal person to set up the business, then be named as a partner or co-owner. Now any thing that the company earns, he can take a portion of, legally, but he can't actually do work in the US.

If you want to undercut the illegals and get them to return home, take the able bodied welfare recipiants and hire them out to whoever needs them for $1 until they are off welfare.

E-verify is important and should be further implemented. But who invited them here, It was our nation. We let them come and now we have communities which suffer because of poverty because we don't fix the problem. The Dream actors face a grim future without action. Teen pregnancy, anchor babies, and gang problems are all associated with these problems. What do they have to look forward to after high school or college?

I recently talked to one of them and they said they would never go back to Mexico, they said it would be like sending a Zoo animal to the wild. Chris Herrod has never met anyone in that community and if he did it was to ask them to fix him a burrito.

@ "Redshirt" I've heard a little about that avenue, but don't know how widespread it is.

Thanks.

Enforcement should be multifaceted.

The Hammer, the only ones that we invited were the ones on visas, and they have expiration dates. The Nation has not invited people illegally, but individuals have. That's quite a spin.

People have dreams, society deals with reality. The reality starts with them returning home at 18, and coming back legally on the program that already exists. Demanding dreams is not the American dream.

Part of my family came here from Mexico legally. I've talked to many here illegally, they come for the jobs, not citizenship. Many do so to build up a nest egg to return home and set up a business, or buy land.

I suggest that those here illegally talk to the legal immigrant, and find out how much better life is when coming here legally.

So I was born in Mexico and have lived in extreme poverty all my life and now find myself in the middle of a drug war where thousands are slaughtered. Lawlessness and oppression abound. No hope. Should I stay here? Or maybe I should risk my life and travel across the border to a place where I will be hated, and treated as second class citizen and even as a subhuman by many? But at least my kids and grand-kids may have a chance for a decent life? I will be poor by US standards but much richer than before. No feasible guest worker program like my grandfather used to cross over legally for short periods of time.What do I do?

The drug cartel wars started in 2006. Most of those here illegally came before that.

There are over a million people in this world living in poverty worse than Mexico. They are waiting in line to come here honestly.

@WestGranger

"What do I do?"

First, "Thou shalt not covet." That's really what illegal immigration is about, typically.

Second, You don't exaggerate the situation of your country in an effort to deceive and manipulate people's emotions. The notion that Mexico is a place of extreme poverty where people are being slaughtered everywhere is a bunch of malarkey.

Third, If you want to improve your situation, figure it out. You have no right to do so by stealing. You have no right to do so by illegally trespassing this country. You have no right to do so by importing the corruption and lawlessness of your country into this country.

The good thing about a national or Utah enforced E-Verify law is that it wouldn't have a sudden impact nor would it immediately deport illegal aliens. E-Verify may not be used to check immigration status of current employees. If there were a national or Utah E-Verify law, over time, jobs for illegal aliens would gradually dry up.

E-Verify is an enforcement tool against employers that insist upon using foreign illegal labor in order to maintain or depress wages for legal workers, in order to increase profits. Those that say that illegal workers are doing jobs Americans won't do are attempting to mislead us for their own selfish purposes. American are already doing every type of job that you can think of, and the only reason that citizens and legal workers avoid some types of labor is that the wage is too low. When the wage is high enough any job could be filled by legal workers. That is the way it used to be.

DHS and ICE are not the problem when hiring illegal labor "under the table" the IRS is

@anti-liar
"What do I do?" (if I were a poor Mexican living in Mexico)

"Thou shalt not covet."?? Improving your life when in a hopeless situation is hardly "covetous".

You may be misinformed, but the situation in Mexico is hardly exaggerate(d. If anyone has even a minimal amount of compassion along with an accurate understanding of the Mexican condition they know there is no need of the poor Mexican to deceive and manipulate about their country. The 50,000 drug war deaths in recent years and the fact that millions of Mexicans live in extreme is NOT MALARKEY. These are the facts.

If you want to improve your situation, I will figure it out. No Guest Worker program. No money for expensive lawyers. No ability to come as a refugee. Stealing is not necessary. If it were to come between a choice between "illegally trespassing this country" or, a better future for my family, I choose the latter. I'm a victim of the corruption and lawlessness of my country and I'd bring a strong work ethic and a sense of personal responsibility to the USA. I bring a great appreciation of the opportunities provided me in the USA.