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Published: Thursday, March 14 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

seriously?

And how much more per gallon would you be willing to pay?

higv
Dietrich, ID

Dont drive your car then. Don't heat your home with electricity, USe polluting wood stoves, don't work for someone that uses them. I am glad there are refineries so we do have electricity and fuel.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

That should be cheap and simple.
Put them in Uinta Basin. They all love drilling there, let them deal with the pollution.

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

Refineries are unlike other businesses and employers because they send their product primarily by underground pipeline. Moving very far could be prohibitively expensive, driving up the cost of fuels for the entire region.

The sentiment has merit - move the polluter. But to where? The point is, it can't move just anywhere.

Maudine
SLC, UT

First, you need to look at the topographical differences between Utah and Wyoming.

Then, you have to remember that when the refineries were built, they were away from people - if people don't want to live by the refineries (or the prison for that matter) they should have moved somewhere else.

Also, you should realize that the refineries don't pollute because of their location, they pollute because of what they do - moving them to a new location is not going to make them stop polluting.

@ higv: Really? The author doesn't like the location of the refineries in Utah (because he thinks they are an eyesore) and from that you get that he is opposed to using fossil fuels? That's quite the stretch......

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Refineries cost billions of dollars - that's one reason there have been no new refineries built since the 1970s.

Ernest,
are you willing to pay $4000 per gallon to finance the cost of moving the refineries?

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

I feel the writers pain.... but really? Those refineries have been there as long as I can remember, far longer than living in places like Farmington was cool. They used to be nicely tucked around the corner away from Salt Lake.

Problem is people move to where these refineries were already. And not they don't like them. Same thing with the prison and airports. They knew these things were there when they bought their homes. They are all pretty hard to miss. To ask that they move... ummm... seems a bit odd.

As to comments that no refineries have been built... true... but many have been expanded and have had their capacity increased. So while true, not completely accurate.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

I'm guessing there is less than zero chance of a refinery being willing to relocate--unless someone else foots the 3-4 billion price tag.

In 2005, the head of the National Petrochemical and Refiners Association testified at a House hearing that the rate of return on investment in refining averaged just five and a half percent from 1993 to 2003.
(Factcheck)

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Sorry for the hammered post... that is what happens when you try to post using your smartphone... you would think I would have learned this lesson already. Appreciate you all reading through the lines to figure out what I was so poorly trying to say.

The real issue that the refiners will not talk about is that many of these assets are very old, and in some cases very hard to keep stable. Part of what I do is to apply math to figuring out where the greatest chance of failure is. These companies are spending millions to make sure accidents don't happen - because when they do happen, the cost is very high.

Additionally, refiners are being mandated by the EPA ( I know, the evil EPA ) to clean up their acts. Even the smallest emission is being required to be monitored. Those refineries are probably running cleaner than ever imagined.

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

While most, if not all of the refineries built in Bountiful existed before the current residents moved in, they were NOT built before Bountiful existed. It was the second settlement in Utah after Salt Lake City and was settled in 1847. Before the combustion engine and cars were in use. The South Davis area was the second area settled by the mormon pioneers. So lets not pretend they put the refineries in some unpopulated area. By the time these refineries were built there was a good sized population in that area.

Lew Scannon
Provo, UT

No, let's let the refineries stay here in this soup bowl. Instead, let's move the entire population of the Wasatch Front to Wyoming where the incessant winds will blow all our exhaust fumes away.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

with the formal mob based adoption of the 'drill, baby, drtill' energy policy, we've forfeit any chance to be fussy. Oil exploration and processing, we've decided, gets priority over everything, all the time. I don't mind a refinery upstream of my house, and you owe me the same. That's the deal we made with ourselves in the name of drill baby.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Since when does proximity to a refinery determine or even have influence on the price? Folks the sooner we learn how gas is traded and the greed involved, the better. Whether the refinery is located in bountiful or vernal, the price will be the same. Whatever you folks are willing to spend. And yet our politicians do absolutely nothing to regulate them.

radically_independent
Orem, Utah

Noodlekaboodle - really? That area has been home to the valleys industrial base for a dang long time. And yes, of course Bountiful was there - but no one said it wasn't. When those refineries were built there was whopping 8,000 people - total - living in the area. I am willing to bet not many of them are the ones complaining now.

Dektol
Powell, OH

All those who moved into the area AFTER the prison and/or Refinery was built should be assessed a special tax that would pay for the move - construction of the new facility - and any ongoing cost increases over what they are at the current locations, for the life of the new facilities.
These folks want them moved - while they moved to the area knowing they were there. Let them pay for the moving.
Should do wonders for their property values.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

I know, move the refineries with the prison to another location. You could save millions by forcing the inmates to do the labor since we all know everything will be done on the government's dime on behalf of private enterprise. Then you could sell the land off at 10 cents on the dollar and claim a coup on behalf of Gary the Gov or the next guy. Of course if you don't like it you could take your home, employer, and the rest of your life and move. You should have known you were subject to inversions and it's health consequences in 3rd grade. Sorry folks but adding to the natural inversions are not required and as was said previously gasoline is a commodity with prices dictated by speculation.

VST
Bountiful, UT

@ Noodlekaboodle,

I am old enough to remember what South Davis County was like BEFORE the residential area expanded close to those refineries. Your point is moot that Bountiful existed BEFORE the refineries were built.

The population of Bountiful area in 1848 is a WAY "far cry" from what the population of the Bountiful area is in 2113.

Fitz
Murray, UT

For the record, a new refinery has not been built in anywhere in this country in the last 30 years. The permitting process would take at least 10 years and then would be tied up in court for another 10. And that would be a streamlined process. The cost of building a new refinery is also cost prohibitive. When one adds the permitting process and the cost of construction of new refinery and you have a project that will never happen. We won't get into the permitting and cost of construction of new pipelines to move the crude, as well as the refined products. It is easy to say let's move something like a refinery. The reality of it is why it does not happen.

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