Why can't we all just be happy for everyone and quit all the whining...
donn,".....all their creeds were an abomination in his sight;
that those professors were all corrupt; ” - Joseph Smith History verse
19."______________________________That's the kind of
baggage that denominationalism has been responsible for since long before Joseph
Smith ever appeared on the scene. The question is, what do we do about it. The
choice is ours, isn't it?
@Craig Clark, all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those
professors were all corrupt; ” - Joseph Smith History verse 19.
Re: cpafredThats a pretty funny post you did. You ask why the
hostility, then proceed to be hostile.
This is why I avoid religion. Everyone has to show what they know.There
is ALWAYS an argument about nothing at all. If everyone practiced
spirituality in their own home and ....ooops, I take that back. Because if
everybody practiced spirituality in their own home, the world would be
overpopulated with the BILLIONS who have died forcing their word of God onto
others. So, carry on......Let's talk about Mohammed, and watch
people stamp and tear their hair.
Re:VST"When you said "…the Church went without a prophet for
2 1/2 years…" after Joseph Smith was killed, may a safely assume you
were implying there was no functioning Quorum of First Presidency for those
years?"No?"Quorum of First Presidency?I
didn't say nor suggest that the church was without leaders. And btw there
is at least one other time in church history where the church went without a
prophet as leader for more than a year.From the Church Newsroom:When the president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints passes
away, the following events take place:1. The First Presidency is
automatically dissolved.2. The two counselors in the First
Presidency revert to their places of seniority in the Quorum of the Twelve
Apostles. Seniority is determined by the date on which a person was ordained to
the Twelve, not by age.3. The Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, now
numbering 14 and headed by the senior apostle, assumes Church leadership.
@VST & BlutoWhy the hostility?VST -
Truthseeker's comments were hardly "way out there in the dark".Bluto - Comments like "The LDS Church's outreach on poverty
takes a back seat to nobody" is unsupportable blather because the Church
does not publish financial information. From my vantage point I would say that
a minuscule amount of the billions of dollars taken in each year by the church
(in contributions and in its businesses) is used to benefit poor members and
almost nothing (percentagewise) goes to non-members. But we can't really
even have an intelligent discussion on the subject because the Church does not
voluntarily disclose its financial dealings.
Re:VSTThank you for answering my question. I realize the succession
typically goes to the Pres. Of the Quorum of the Twelve but was speaking
generally about the Quorum meeting together after the Prophet dies. In
practice, the LDS process is more a confirmation of the next in line as opposed
to the Catholic process where over 100 Cardinals from across the world meet,
pray, and vote. It is interesting to note that after Joseph Smith was killed
the Church went without a prophet for 2 1/2 yrs. Re:BlutoI'm well aware the LDS Church partners with other organizations,
including Catholic Relief Services. I'm well aware of the relationship
between the 2 churches in other issues, and would expect LDS Church leaders to
make positive and welcoming statements to the new Pope (as the did when Obama
was reelected). I just thought the title of the article ridiculously implied
that Mormon congregants enmass applaud the new Pope. But then the article
itself doesn't reflect that. My criticism was to DN, not the LDS church.
Get a grip. On the flip side i know my Catholic friends don't really
care about who the LDS prophet is. Last post
@TruthseekerBoy that is one mispalced moniker.Did you know
that the LDS Church donated a million dollars towards the restoration of the
Catholics-Cathedral of the Madeline, in SLC?Did you know that the
Mormon Tabernacle Choir sang at it's dedication?Did you know
that Arcbishop Neiderhauser of San Francisco, contacted and worked closely with
the LDS Church on Prop 8, in California?Did you know that the LDS
Church donates millions of dollars to Cathloic Relif Services as well as the St.
Vincent Depaul homeless center in SLC?And as far as the LDS Welfare
system goes, it is second to none. And it is efficient precisely because it
does not run it's charity outreach through a bunch of bureaucrats in
Washington D.C.The LDS Church's outreach on poverty takes a
back seat to nobody. They know that most Government welfare programs do not work
well and are neither productive or efficient.Charity must come from
the heart, voluntarily and not by compulsion through taxation.The
LDS Church owns orchards, ranches, farms and dairies. They process their own
food with volunteers. And share them with those in need.Get
Re:LostinDCThere is just one problem with your thesis about societal
pressure: polygamyWhile the Church usually doesn't change
policies only because of societal pressure, on a practical level it can cause
church leaders to at least take the question to the Lord. Again,
please explain the process for replacing the prophet, and point out exactly
where I erred in my simple general statement. Thanks.
Craig Clark,what inequality for gays and lesbians are you talking about?
truthseeker, Cleetorn,you are incorrect about how the LDS
president is chosen.Whos Life RU Living?you mean the church
would suffer an expulsion from the US, mobs, murders, imprisonment,
disenfranchisement, etc and so forth but cave to societal pressure on blacks?
And there has been NO pressure on women in the preisthood or gay marriage?
To Mountanman,"I remember learning in primary that someday any
worthy male could hold the priesthood and that at one time"You
are lucky that you were taught by someone so open minded. Since "policies
always change" in your church, it might be a good idea to not speak ill of
changes in other churches.Just some friendly advice.
@ Who's life. I remember learning in primary that someday any worthy male
could hold the priesthood and that at one time, only members of the tribe of
Levi held the priesthood. Policies always change and always will but doctrines
are eternal and not subject to political whims of the world!
Re:CleetornDid i say I don't know anything about the new Pope? I do
listen to and watch the news. The title to this article doesn't accurately
reflect the contents of the article.Re:VSTThanks for the
non-answer. Of course i would use LDS sources (and btw I'm a life-long LDS
member) but upon your suggestion i quickly checked out both LDS websites and
couldn't find out from either what happens when the Prophet dies. Maybe
you can explain what i said that was wrong. Thanks!
To Mountan Man,"Any organization that will allow its values to
be altered by political pressure isn't worth belonging to. Most churches
have long since caved under political pressure to "modernize" and
abandon their core values in order to appeal to the world."Good
thing there was no pressure on the church with blacks and the priesthood. Right?
Theological differences between denominations are so obvious that they need not
be exacerbated. But theology and spirituality are different things. Discipleship
of Jesus can be unifying and transcend divisions of dogma and doctrine. I find
hope in that.
@ YamilNot so! Mormons DO choose a new prophet in a similar fashion as the
Catholics choose a new pope. The heirarchy gets together and takes a vote. The
only thing is there is only one vote and it is always unanimous. No haggling or
working toward some majority. The vote is always 100% in agreement on the first
and only vote.@ TruthseekerIf you know nothing about the new
pope, it's because you never look at a paper or a newscast. Perhaps not a
lot has been published but some has and is there to be discovered by those
wanting to be in the know, LDS or not. And contrary to your belief, the reverse
is true. I recall when both President Hinkley and President Monson were called,
the Catholic church and others praised the announcement with the hope and prayer
that we would be able to continue to work together on our common goals. We do
have them, you know.
Re:YamilGee i thought the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles met together
in prayer to determine who will become the next prophet.I'm sure the
Catholic Church considers their process of selecting a Pope to be directed by
inspiration from God as do Mormons. Re:Craig ClarkThe
Catholic Church goes beyond the LDS church in declaring poverty to be a moral
issue and supporting govt and church affiliated programs to help the poor. The
Catholic Church opposed the Iraq War. U.S. Catholic Bishops also support
stricter gun control measures including the assault weapons ban.
I am not Catholic but I respect the Catholic church, and especially this Pope
because he has conservative values which he will not bend, re-shape or alter as
demanded by secular progressives on the left. Any church that espouses values
does so because they believe those values are ultimately beneficial to mankind
and in compliance with the will of the God they claim to worship. Any
organization that will allow its values to be altered by political pressure
isn't worth belonging to. Most churches have long since caved under
political pressure to "modernize" and abandon their core values in order
to appeal to the world. Jesus told his disciples, "If ye were of the world,
the world would love its own but because ye are not of the world, the world
hates you". Conclusion: if those on the left "loves" and approves of
your values or lack there of it means you have become one of them (worldly) and
you should get out of that church ASAP!
Many cultural and social issues of our times find the Catholic and LDS churches
on the same side and weathering the same criticisms. I hope both churches move
toward advocating gay and lesbian equality in the world. Jesus embraced the
despised, the poor, and the downtrodden.
While I agree that the election of a new pope for 1.6 billion Catholics and
frankly the effect it has worldwide is big news and I have enjoyed following it,
I find the headline somewhat funny. Would you ever see a headline read
"Mormons disapprove of new Pope"? No. None of us (and many Catholics as
well) have never heard of him and don't know a thing about him.
Hey @Truthseeker. That isn't going to happen,because Mormons do not
"choose" a prophet.
I don't know if you look at any national news, but the whole "pope"
thing coverage is pretty prominent.Do you really think that a paper
with a section labeled "faith" should exclude it?Maybe what
you really want is to rename that section as "LDS news". And I would agree that you would probably not see your proposed "reverse
title". Possibly because, like it or not, it would not be considered
"world news" strictly based on the size of the religion.
Really?I wasn't aware Mormons in Utah had so much invested or
even knew anything about the new Pope. I can't imagine the reverse
title--"Catholics Applaud Choice of New Mormon Prophet."