To "Scoundrel" how is it Margaret Dayton taking away the agency of
others? If anything she is maintaining it for more of us by not burdening us
with a redundant program.If you, out of the goodness of you heart,
want to provide free pre-school for the poor you still can do that. She
won't stop you.There is nothing virtuous, lovely, or good about
wasting taxpayer money on a redundant program.
Properly practised, conservative christian values are among the meanest, most
punitive and discriminatory set of ideas there are.
What is compassionate conservatism, anyway? I don't believe I've ever
seen it demonstrated -- at least not in Utah.
To "Wayne Wagner" and the liberals out there. Why do we need a
redundant state program?Utah already has a Head Start program that
pays for pre-school for the poor.If your hypothetical poor person
works the 60 to 80 hours per week, where is their child? If the child is in
daycare why can't the poor person find a daycare that teaches the same
things that a pre-school does? If the child is being cared for by a relative,
what is wrong with their relatives that they don't teach the child
anything?No matter how you look at it, once you get beyond the
emotional response, the program (even voluntary) makes no sense to establish.
Danny Chipman: "Even if something is 100% federally funded, SOMEONE has to
pay for it, and that someone is us taxpayers."Do you think that
you're _not_ paying for the consequences of poorly educated, sick children?
What will it cost us as a society to deal with these kids when they're
adults?Ever hear of "penny-wise, pound-foolish"?If you think health care is expensive, compare it to the cost of illness.
@Danny ChipmanThere are studies that suggest the investment in early pre-K
education pays off down the road in the form of things like lower likelihood of
winding up in prison (saving taxpayers money).
Danny ChipmanLehi, UTThen, if we do not pass these bills, what
is your solution? Just ignore it? Let our children slip further and further
behind? Tell the mother to quit working and go on welfare?What do
you imagine we should do?This is one program that I do not mind
paying taxes to support. How about you?
Great Letter!Agreed!Ah-men, and Ah-men.
The only issue I have with programs like the pre-K and Medicaid expansions is
this--there is no such thing as a free lunch. Even if something is 100%
federally funded, SOMEONE has to pay for it, and that someone is us
taxpayers.In an ideal world every child would be able to be raised
"at the mother's knee" and every Medicaid applicant could endeavor
to improve employability to get a job with insurance coverage. I recognize these
situations are not always possible, though with some education, sacrifice, and
better management, I like to think they'd be possible for more people than
is believed. If an efficient, sensible way could be found to run and pay for
these programs (and when the gov't gets involved, hah, good luck), then I
would happily support them.But until that happens, I am leery of
passing every good bill just because it's a good bill.
Utah, you're going to get an endless stream of this mean-spirited,
short-sighted and shamelessly hypocritical government until you stop
automatically voting "R" at the ballot box.
This letter is dead on, we should demand our legislators frame it and hang it on
their office walls. There are times when I just shrug my shoulders
and view Utah's odd strain of conservatism as a unique cultural trait, like
you would when visiting another country. Then there are times when it absolutely
disgusts me. This is one of those.These privileged state
legislators have no clue or concern for those who are growing up in
circumstances they have never experienced. This bill was not a handout to
irresponsible adults, it was a way to help educate children who were born into
disadvantageous economic circumstances. How that is a bad thing, I will never
understand. But enjoy your lifetime taxpayer provided health
benefits, legislators, knowing that the state can afford them now that you have
made it more difficult for at risk kids to achieve your level of success.
This letter is spot on. It would be great to have stay at home mom's but
facts are facts and most mothers must work to keep bread on the table. Most
mothers must participate with paying for health insurance. No one disagrees with
Tulip but it is not reality. Maybe if the Eagle Forum spent as much time
lobbying for better wages and benefits for all, the bubble wouldn't seem so
The Eagle Forum continues to be that mesquito in the room that is very difficult
to remove. These people continue to be imbedded in the midst of the
McCarthy years of the twentieth century. Members of The Eagle Forum appear
to flaunt the fact that they have always been unable to visualize or have
empathy for those who don't fit into their ultra right wing conservative
agenda. Their yearly disruptions at legislative sessions is an embarrassment for
this state.Will anyone in that group ever be able to remove their
blinders? How their influence in Utah state government continues in Utah
remains a mystery for the majority of citizens in this state and the nation.
I bucked the system years ago. My children were the only ones in their
kindergarten classes that hadn't attended pre-school. They did quite well
and "caught up" just fine. We were as poor as they come but I knew
they'd be in school a good portion of their lives and I wanted as many
years with them as I could get. I hear what you're saying especially when
it comes to single parenting. I don't pretend to have the answers but for
me, keeping them under my wing just a little longer was a great blessing. As
with all lobbying groups, the Eagle Forum" has its faults, but it is hardly
made up of the "evil" wackos many portray it to be. Sometimes the voice
of the children need to be at the forefront. Programs will never replace what
the home home has to offer (no matter the income level)...
Holy cow!Tremendous letter!Nothing more needs to be
said! Amen and amen!