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Published: Monday, March 11 2013 8:45 p.m. MDT

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sammyg
Springville, UT

Well the drama continues. I certainly hope the next scene is not some Utah co-ed coming forth and making an accusation.

What a mess. I thought Dr. Hill was ultimately responsible for everything? Now we find out that some assistant 'mysteriously' resigned in October?

3 months later we now here people saying we will get to the bottom of this with an independent investigation.

Wow.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

Why isn't the Dnews reporting that Sullivan is a former U trustee and an alumni of the year? That certainly casts doubt on the "independent" claim of the investigators doesn't it?

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Duckhunter

So what if Hill hired his best buddy to "investigate" his cover up. What's the problem?

When its finished, they'll throw Winslow and Oliszczak under the bus (which they've already done), and claim that Hill was completely unaware of any reports of abuse within his own athletic department.

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

Duckhunter

"The investigators are certainly not "independent of the university". One is a former trustee and utah alum of the year. What a sham."

Just because Sullivan is a former trustee and Utah alum and Glazier is known as "the Cleaner" for his work with helping college athletic departments that have faced NCAA inquiries "mitigate" the consequences, doesn't mean they can't conduct an impartial investigation.

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@Ducky Why is it that people tend to judge others by their own values? People who have little faith in the integrity of others tend to believe that anyone else can have integrity. You imply that the investigation will not be a impartial and independent if it has a University of Utah alum working on it and that the DN is reporting the truth or covering it up. Why? Could it be that you could not be impartial and objective yourself?

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

Silent Lurker

Why is it that Utah fans are such homers that they can't see past the very obvious cover up going on at the U?

Utah hires an attorney with close Utah ties and another attorney that Oregon used to help the Ducks clear up their "NCAA problems" and we're all supposed to be gullible enough to believe that they'll conduct a totally "independent" investigation?

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

Silent Lurker

Take off your crimson glasses long enough and you'll see the very obvious conflict of interest in the attorneys Utah chose to conduct an "independent" investigation.

If you were really concerned with getting the whole story behind this scandal, rather than a whitewash, then you too would be questioning the impartiality of the "investigators".

Ask yourself, if one of my kids had been the victim of Winslow's abuse, would I feel comfortable with the attorneys Utah has hired to investigate this mess.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@silent lurker

I object to the claim that the "investigation" is being conducted by an "independent" entity when it obviously is not. How is a former trustee of the Univeristy who was recently named "Alumni of the year" an "independent" investigator?

I suppose it is possible he could do a fair investigation as I do not know him personally but tell me this, if this had occured at BYU and they hired a BYU alum, BYU trustee, who was awarded the honor of BYU alumni of the year, would you consider that person to be "independent"?

sorenson is a noted utah homer so I don't expect him to bring light onto this, that is why I did it. I'm actually surprised the Dnews posted my comment.

But one thing is clear by your post, YOU are neither "impartial" or "objective", you obviously want to run some cover for this sham of an "investigation". But that is be expected from utah "fans".

Whatsnu
Sandy, UT

It's curious that Utah fans were so incredulous that a replay booth official, involved in a controversial decision in a game Utah wasn't even involved in, had ties with BYU.

Yet, they see absolutely no conflict of interest in this guy conducting an "independent" investigation of the Utah swimming program abuse scandal:

Alan Sullivan
- Alumnus of the Year, University of Utah College of Law (2009)
- University of Utah College of Law Alumni, Board of Trustees (2006-2011)

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

Whatsnu

Don't be silly; a replay review of a fumble is much more important than a review of swimmers being abused by their coach.

Seriously, though, you'd think that Utah fans would want a full accounting of how swimmers at their school were abused for so long without Utah doing anything to stop it. It's really quite surprising that they seem more concerned with protecting their school's reputation, than with protecting Utah's athletes.

Utah Alum
Orem, UT

As a Utah alum, I was hoping this independent investigation would get to the bottom of who was responsible for this scandal, but after seeing who Chris Hill hired to investigate the allegations, I'm having serious doubts that this won't be anything more than a whitewash and we'll never get reliable answers of why this abuse was allowed to go on so long without anything being done to stop it.

At this point, I would be shocked if Dr. Hill is forced to accept any responsibility for what went on during his watch.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

I Bleed Blue

Although not even close to the same level as the Sandusky scandal at Penn State, the Winslow scandal at Utah does bear some striking similarities - an administration that received reports of abuse and then failed to take any action for years until the accusations became public knowledge.

RobertSailing
Orem, UT

I am an embarrased UTE fan. This is not what I expected from Dr. Hill,

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

Coug fans think "independent" investigation means they get to do the investigating.

The administration will be cleared. Calm down. Accept it. Move on to the next train wreck.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@soonerute

No we just expect an "independent investigation" to actually be independent before we lend it a shred of credibility. I understand the utah "fan' desire to stick you heads in the sand and get the coverup in place pronto but I don't think that is going to happen this time.

The problem with hiring a utah alum and board of trustee member to do this is that the only way it can actually be considered credible is if it comes back and is a scorching condemnation of chris hill and the university itself. If it all comes back as minor misteps no one outside of utah "fans" like yourself that just want it to go away will ever believe it.

Just hire someone that has no ties to the university and all of a sudden it becomes much more credible.

Tell us honestly, if this was BYU and they hired an alumni and former member of their board of trustees would think there was a bit of credibility to it? Of course not and neiter would anyone else other than BYU fans that simply wanted it to disappear. There's the problem.

TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

I see that SoonerUte and most of the rest of the hill crowd have gone into full ostrich mode on this one.

First, their basketball program; now, their swimming program. Even they acknowledge that the train wreck on the hill continues.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

No, TroyTown, we're not playing ostrich on this one. Everyone wants their program to be run in a clean fashion.

What a lot of commenters don't accept is that there are TWO sides to every story. And in this case there are two stories. One is involves a girl in Arizona; the other involves charges of abusive coaching methods. You've heard one side, and have cast judgement based on one side. Fairness dictates that the other side be heard, and that is what the independent inquiry will do.

On 1280 yesterday, they had an interview with a former Ute swimmer. You could tell the radio guys were hoping for him to pile on to the allegations of abuse. Instead, he described them as training techniques that every swimmer participated in. They weren't punishments (i.e. abuse) dished out to select people. Completely not the interview that the radio guys hoped for. They, like some commentors, don't want to believe there a rational explanations for anything in this story.

The girl in Arizona? Different story completely from coaching abuse allegations.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

SoonerUte,
Then why was Winslow fired?

SportsFan
Orem, UT

SoonerUte

It wasn't the bloggers who threw Winslow under the bus.

Either he did something egregious enough to be fired or he didn't.

If he did, then Utah officials owe everyone an explanation of what he did, when he did it, and why it took so long to fire him.

If he didn't, then Utah officials need to explain why he was fired for no cause.

Regardless of the results of the investigation, it's hard to imagine any scenario in which this won't look bad for Utah's athletic department, especially Chris Hill.

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