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Published: Tuesday, March 12 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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AggieScientist
Logan, UT

Yesterday, the Deseret News Editorial Board recommended that the state micro-manage how restaurants can display liquor. Today, they editorialize against New York City's ban on extra-large sugar drinks. Can the Editorial Board decide if they do or do not support the Nanny State?

ECR
Burke, VA

I think Mayor Bloomberg has done his part in bringing the issue to the attention of the general public. Certainly others have been working hard to do the same. But it seems to me that the judge did the right thing in striking down the law. People should be able, and willing, to make those choices on their own without coersion from the government. But hopefully Mayor Bloombergs's campiagn will make us all more aware of the dangers that exist in what some manufacturer's are passing off as "food."

Likewise, I think the legislation currently under consideration in the Mississippi Legislature is just as wrong headed. That legislature wants to pass a law prohibiting a requirement to print nutritional values of products sold in grocery stores or restaurants, such as what Mayor Bloomberg required of New York City restaurants. In my opinion that law would be equally as harmful as the law just struck down in New York. If local municipalities want to make it a requirements to print nutritional information on the food sold in their communities, they should have the right to do that without "the government" telling them they can't. It works both ways.

Mukkake
Salt Lake City, UT

"Arbitrary and capricious." That is how most people describe the "Zion Curtain" that the Deseret News was defending just yesterday.

While I'm glad this soda law failed, this is more of the pot/kettle/black from the Deseret News. Of course, its also because you can be guaranteed that the Deseret News would shut down over night if their tea/coffee/alchohol/nicotine-abstaining workforce couldn't plow through a gallon of soda in the morning.

They'd have to go back to being an afternoon edition, at the very least.

Everybody loves their own vices.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Some elected officials seem to think that "rights" are bestowed on the people by the government. They seem to think that being elected means that they become our "mamas" and our "papas". They seem to think that they have the right to force us to do right.

That plan was soundly defeated long before they were elected. Even though the concept of Kings having all authority and all power is part of human history, that concept does not belong in any government office in America. Here, the people have all rights and the government is limited to doing only what the people allow it to do - everything else is to be left to the people.

Determining what we eat and what we drink is not a duty that we have authorized the government to handle. What happened in New York was a warning that if we are not vigilant, elected officials will seize power and authority and then rule and reign as though they had the right to tell us what is right and what is wrong - with force.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

The government already has solved many of our health problems, by mandating that certain foods be fortified with vitamins and minerals.

Also by helping to educate people of the dangers of cigarette smoking.

This is why people in general are living longer lives.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"They seem to think that being elected means that they become our "mamas" and our "papas". They seem to think that they have the right to force us to do right."

But Mike. Isn't all really a matter of degrees or issues?

Do you think alcohol and drugs should be unregulated? Do you think the govt should get out of the gay marriage issue? How about prostitution and pornography?

My experience is that people want govt out of our lives unless we like what they are regulating.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

DesNews, 3/11/13: "Legislators should not be embarrassed by innovative state policies that place a minor burden on purveyors while protecting vulnerable populations from exploitation. We trust the Utah Senate understands the importance of this vital public health concern and will act appropriately to preserve, and perhaps expand, Utah's sensible restrictions on the display and dispensing of intoxicating beverages in restaurants."

DesNews, 3/12/13: "He might have added, 'condescending, intrusive and entirely ineffective.'"

In both cases, the editorial board opined on government intervention in the free market regarding sales of lawful beverages with the intent of restricting consumption. In both cases the laws were flawed in being inconsistently applied (not all restaurants have to have a Zion Curtain, not all vendors must limit soda size) and without documented effect.

Apparently, the only thing condescending, intrusive and entirely ineffective is the paper's editorial board's opinion of its readers memory from one day to the next.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

A recurring theme in these comments is for the right-wingers to almost never discuss the issue at hand. Instead what we usually get are these grand pontifications full of words like “liberty” and “rights” and “tyranny” etc, etc, etc…

It all reminds me of the centuries long (and now completely lost) battle between the Catholic Church and science. Whenever a scientific discovery was made that appeared to threaten the orthodoxy, it was attacked in precisely the same manner – substitute liberty, rights, and tyranny with scripture, church doctrine, and the state of our souls.

So here’s some advice – argue the merits of the issue without reference to “scripture” (or any other abstract buzz word). Not doing so just demonstrates the weakness of your own position.

Or keep doing what you’re doing and end up being about as relevant as the Catholic Church is today regarding discussion on science (in your case, politics).

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"Apparently, the only thing condescending, intrusive and entirely ineffective is the paper's editorial board's opinion of its readers memory from one day to the next."

Couldn't agree more.

Any law I like is good and protects us from ourselves....

except any law I don't like, and therefor is an intrusion and unconstitutional.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The object goal of the business of farming, food processing, distribution and sale of food is business profits. The most dependable way to increase profits in any business is to increase the demand for the product. In the food business, improving the taste and suppressing the “full” response may be used.

Fat people tend to eat more than skinny people. So food producers use sugar to make people fat.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Get over these Anti-government rants and raves already.

The FDA (Food and Drug Admististration - a big bad Government entity) decides and dictates what is/is not appropriate and allowed each and everyday.

For me personally? --
I LIKE having the Government over-seeing the shoddy, anything for a buck, who cares if it kills you - midset of greedy businessmen.

The role of Governemnt is to defend and PROTECT it's citizens.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

Aren't the liberals the ones who keep telling us that a woman has a right to do with her body as she pleases. Why the hypocrisy. If a woman wants to put 32 oz of soft drinks into her body every day they have a problem with that?

To "JoeBlow" it isn't about degrees of the issues. If I 2 gallons of Coke every day, does that effect anybody around me? Now if I smoke cigaretts or drugs around you all day, will you be effected?

To "Open Minded Mormon" if the purpose of government is to defend and protect its citizens, then why does your ilk support legalized Marijuana? Why is it that your ilk is not enacting laws to make cigaretts and alchohol illegal? Those are more destructive to people than obesity.

Hank Pym
SLC, UT

re: AggieScientist 5:48 a.m. March 12

Agreed. Morality is subjective & this is what happens when anyone (Bloomberg, the Utah legislature, etc,... ) start legislating morality.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

Ilk is a funny word...

ECR
Burke, VA

Just a couple of thoughts for Redshirt1701 - Mayor David Bloomberg is not a liberal. He was a Republican and is now an Independent. Ron Paul, a Libertarian who still wears the Republican ID Patch, and was a candidate for President, suggested that heroin should be legalized. But as your letter seems to point out, government intervention is opposed by whoever's issues are being impacted. Both Liberals and Conservatives, Republicans and Democrats and almost everyone in between, supports government intervention in our lives when it serves our interests. But when it doesn't, or when it works against our interests, we are strongly opposed to it. We could all use a 32 oz. glass of humility and come to terms with that fact.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Open Minded Mormon" if the purpose of government is to defend and protect its citizens, then why does your ilk support legalized Marijuana?

11:27 a.m. March 12, 2013

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Because, marijuana is safer than cigarettes or alcohol.

Remember that old ultra-con battle cry? -- "liberals" have no problem with Government action.

We "liberals" banned cigarette advertisements, and indoor smoking [remember, that whole Government taking away FREEDOM thing?]

We "liberals" banned alcohol comsumption to pregnant women - much to the corringe of the pro-Freedom at all costs factions.

We "liberals" have already passed laws banning cigarettes in vehicles with children laws - [Utah is still playing the 20 year behiond catch-up on that one].

For the record - as a whatever floats your boat "liberal",
I think banning softdrink sizes is a stupid idea.

But, if I were a $27 Billion businessman turned mayor of New York City, charging $1.89 per 12 ounce softdrink seems like a "Captialist" idea and thing to promote the business bottom line.

FYI - banning "cotton mouth" quenching "munchie sized" drinks will reduce marijuana use in and of itself ;-)

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Open Minded Mormon" you say that marijuana is safer than cigaretts or alcohol, but that itself says that marijuana is dangerous.

You point out that your ilk has banned things related to smoking and drinking, but you have not outlawed smoking and drinking. Since you admit they are bad, why has your ilk continued to allow them to harm US Citizens?

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Red

I believe that the large drink law was also stupid and an overreach. I guess I am not the

ILK you are referring to.

It is very refreshing to be a moderate. One can criticize the stupid laws put forth by both the left and the right.

And, to be sure, they both do.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

Just stop subsidizing inedible feed corn that gets turned into sugar. If welfare queen farmers insist on the handouts, subsidize broccoli and carrots.

ECR
Burke, VA

ECR 12:45 "Mayor David Bloomberg is not ..."

His name is Micheal, not David. Pay attention ECR!

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