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Published: Monday, March 11 2013 2:10 p.m. MDT

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Arlington, VA


"Actually, when comparing two teams, the ultimate measure of success is head-to-head competition."

Actually, that's not true. The ultimate measure of success is overall success.

Worse teams lose to better teams all the time; that's why they call them "upsets"
- see Utah versus Colorado 2011 or Utah versus UNLV 2007.

Six of the last eight games being decided by a touchdown or less in the final minutes or in overtime is proof enough that neither team has been "dominant", but

five Top 25 finishes to only three
three Top 15 finishes to only one
two undefeated conference championships to only one
five 10-plus win seasons to only three
eight bowl games to only seven

is proof enough that BYU has been the better team overall during the Bronco/Kyle era.

Lincoln Park, IL

naval vet

"However, Utah's ineptitude of the 80s reversed by the 90s, and had regained the state's overall supremacy."

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Utah hasn't had a single decade since the 60's in which the Utes had more Top 25 finishes than the Cougars:

60's - BYU(0) Utah(1)
70's - BYU(2) Utah(0)
80's - BYU(6) Utah(0)
90's - BYU(4) Utah(1)
00's - BYU(5) Utah(4)
10's - BYU(1) Utah(1)
Total - BYU(18) Utah(7)

Alpine, UT


"Weak SOS = more wins.

More wins = higher ranking."

Sorry, that's not how it works; here are the correct formulas:

Overall Record versus SOS = Ranking

Higher Ranking = Better Team

#1 Alabama > #5 Texas A&M (despite the head-to-head)

#2 Oregon > #7 Stanford (despite the head-to-head)

#16 Utah State > unranked BYU (despite the head-to-head)

and since the polls only rank the Top 25,

in Sagarin

#26 BYU > #61 Utah (despite the head-to-head)

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA


There was nothing inaccurate about my claim that the Utes beat our Indy-WACey little brother by the 3rd Qtr. We DID! We needed only 22-pts to win that game, and we put 24 on the board before the 4th. That's the cold hard facts.

Bluffdale, UT

Nice try. Now you just sound frantic and emotional. The game was not decided until the field goal was missed by BYU. As evidenced by the Ute fans rushing the field twice in the last few seconds of the game. How many times during the year did Utah fans rush the field? Twice. Both times against BYU. Seems as though the fans are having a hard time putting BYU in the rear view mirror. That was their bowl game I guess.

Layton, UT

Another powerhouse football team on byu's schedule. Congratulations.
After reviewing all them stats,rankings,ratings,etc. I'm convinced, byu will win the Super Bowl next year.(despite the head-to-head)

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah


"There was nothing inaccurate about my claim..."

A half-truth, my dear PACy-WACer, is the same as a whole untruth.

The game wasn't decided until BYU's final FG try, with no time left on the clock, bounced off the upright.


Naval, why are you so obsessed with all things WAC and all things BYU? Shouldn't you be commenting on Ute articles about their improving basketball team?

You and Chris B sound a lot more like disgruntled BYU fans in a huff over the Big 12...

Bluffdale, UT

why are Utah "fans" so obsessed with BYU's schedule? You're not impressed with some team the Cougars will be playing in 5 or 6 years? I don't think anyone cares what your assessment of that team is. Besides, what does the Super Bowl have to do with any of this. Not one BYU fan said anything about Virginia being a powerhouse. Just a good game to have on the schedule.

MUSSing with U
Baltimore, MD


"why are Utah "fans" so obsessed with BYU's schedule?"

Because three years after supposedly "leaving the Cougars in the dust", the PACy-WACers are still having nightmares about BYU stealing all of their big boy conference thunder.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA


"The game was not decided until the field goal was missed by BYU. As evidenced by the Ute fans rushing the field twice in the last few seconds of the game."

Not so my frantic and emotional little brother. "Fans rushing the field" is not what decides a game. The scoreboard at 0:00 does. And that metric favors Utah. And since 22-pts was all that was needed to close down the Indy-WACers, Utah did in fact win that game in the 3rd-Qtr.

And for what it's worth, had Stephenson's kick been true, that would not have decided the game. The game would have been decided in OT. But since the game didn't go into OT, Utah's final TD in the 3rd Qtr was what finally decided the game.

Furthermore, Stephenson missed a 51-yd FG. That is not an anomoly. That penalty on Utah's fans was a bad call since your coaches were on the field as well, and neither group effected the outcome of the game. Stephenson missing a 36-yd FG is ALSO not an anomoly. He hadn't connected on a kick over 33-yds in his entire cougar career.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA


And lastly, if you want to point to Stephenson's missed FG late in the 4th, I could just as easily point to a 37-FG Utah missed in the 1st, and call that "anomoly" offsetting.

Utah > Indy-WAC

Get used it.

Park City, UT


"if you want to point to Stephenson's missed FG late in the 4th,"

Sorry PACy-WACer, it wasn't late in the 4th, it was the last play of the game, and the outcome of the game was still in doubt.

The truth is, Riley's bobbled snap, Utah scoop and score, GAVE Utah the game.

U didn't do anything on your own to deserve it.

Bluffdale, UT

""Fans rushing the field" is not what decides a game. The scoreboard at 0:00 does."

And that says it even better than I could. The game was not decided until the clock hit zeros.

I am beginning to think you lose any and all rationale when talking about BYU football, or you just don't know the first thing about the game.

Jealous U
Alpine, UT


Completely ignoring the rankings, except when it's convenient, doesn't change the fact that:

#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winners > #61 PACyWACers(5-7) bowl no shows

#25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 PACyWACers(8-5)

You'll forever live with the ignominy of knowing that your winless season against the WAC in their last season of football existence denied U a trip to a bowl.

Get used to it!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA


ALL games aren't "officially decided" until 0:00 on the game clock, but the truth is, Utah scored all the points they needed to win it in the 3rd. Ergo, the game was technically won then. The 4th Qtr was just a formality.

Utah > Indy-WAC

Get used to it.

Jealous of the U:

I already told you...

(1) Lower SOS = more wins
(2) More wins = higher ranking
(3) The Y had consistently played weaker schedules since leaving the MWC than had the U
(4) The U had consistently outplayed our Indy-WACey little brother in our head-to-head matchups to determine who was the better team.

Everything else is just frantic and emotional spin.

Bluffdale, UT

Not only are you wrong; your spin is old, tired, and boring.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA


Not only did you fail to support your position in your last post, you couldn't.

Bluffdale, UT

Support what. I agree with points 1,2,3,and 4. I do not agree that the game was over in the 3rd quarter. that is where you fail by your own admission that the game is not over until the clock hits zeros.

Utah has outplayed BYU for the last 3 years. Agree. BYU ended up having a better season than Utah last year. They went to and won a bowl game. Utah did not. Utah still outplayed BYU when they played each other. I have never said otherwise.

Your spin is still old, tired, wrong and most of all, very boring.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA


Okay then, how many points did Utah need to score in the 4th-Qtr to win that game?

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