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Published: Monday, March 11 2013 2:10 p.m. MDT

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Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Y grad/Y dad:

"In the 70s, playing in any bowl game was prestigious."

Not bowls with WAC ties. And if the Fiesta Bowl was so "prestigious" back in 1974, why did it feature a 7-3-1 WAC team vs. a 6-5 SWC team? And you call THAT "prestigious"? No wonder your fans were super duper excited to play in the New Mexico Bowl.

Clark W. Griswold
Sandy, Utah

@ Y Grad / Y Dad

"The Holiday Bowl became a relevant and prestigious bowl game on the back of BYU. How many bowls can boast that the national championship was won on their field?"

Don't kid yourself! BYU never "WON" a national championship,they were "VOTED" it. They're is a big difference between the two.

Secondly you claim the Holiday Bowl was the sight where the national championship was won on the field. If that's the case, if Michigan (6-6) were to have won that game against BYU. Would Michigan be crowned National Champions in 1984? The answer is no! The only way a team "wins" a national championship is when the #1 team plays the #2 team. BYU played neither of the two. So that means they didn't win it!

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

clarky

"The only way a team "wins" a national championship is when the #1 team plays the #2 team."

LOL at your jealous, delusional, whiny spin.

BYU was the #1-ranked team in the country (both major polls). Any team wanting to claim the championship had to go through BYU; unfortunately for U, Washington and Nebraska passed on the opportunity and BYU beat the only team brave enough to play the Cougars in the Holiday Bowl.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Which bowl game were your fans super duper excited to play in this year?

Clark W. Griswold
Sandy, Utah

Twist and turn to your heart's content, but the crystal 'ball in Provo looks pretty much like the ones in Alabama.

And to concede a small point, no, Michigan would not have won the national championship. They would have defeated the number 1 team in the nation and denied THEM the national championship. Something that Bo Schembechler was positive they could do, and so very graciously proclaimed to the world that if BYU won that game, they would deserve to be national champions.

Of course, he changed his tune after they lost. Actually sounded kinda like you.

I have never liked Bo very much since then.

backpacn
Sandy, UT

"The only way a team "wins" a national championship is when the #1 team plays the #2 team."

So how do you explain USC winning the 2003 national championship, since the Trojans didn't even play in the bogus championship game?

It's laughable that when the kids on the hill cite Utah's 2004 and 2008 rankings, they always cite the poll that isn't even associated with the bogus championship series - in other words, the poll that determines its national champion in exactly the same way today, as it did when it was established in 1936, and incidentally, in exactly the same way it determined the 1984 national champion.

btw, according to the "official" final bogus championship series poll, the Coaches Poll, the Utes only finished #4 in their greatest season ever.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

TrueBlue:

"Yet, BYU almost always played a very good, Top 20 team from a power conference in the Holiday Bowl..."

That doesn't refute my point that the Holiday Bowl back in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s was no more prestigious than the Las Vegas Bowl now. The Las Vegas Bowl had hosted some Top-25 teams in their own right hosting at least one ranked team over the past 8 seasons, from #25 Cal (2005) and Arizona (2008) up to #8 Boise St (2011).

"Except for two notable exceptions, Utah's bowl history is nothing but an endless parade of mediocre opponents including Utah's much ballyhooed Fiesta Bowl opponent."

The U faces twice as many Top-10 opponents in our bowl games than the Y, and actually BEAT one. In fact, the Utes had beaten more Top-25 opponents in our postseason appearances than the cougars. Except for only ONE notable exception -- the 1997 Cotton Bowl -- the cougars don't have much to crow about either.

Utah has been your big brother on the gridiron, in the postseason, AND in the recruiting wars. How miserable for you. Poor Indy-WACer.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

backWACn:

"...according to the 'official' final bogus championship series poll, the Coaches Poll..."

As an Indy-WACer, you've never actually "been there" so I understand, you don't just don't understand. So allow me to explain it to you:

(1) The Final BCS Poll is a separate poll from the final Coaches Poll. And that BCS poll is only produced to determine who will play in the five BCS bowls. After the bowl games have been played, there is no further poll updating the results.

(2) The Final Coaches Poll is obligated* to vote for the winner of the BCS Nat'l Champion.

(3) The AP poll USED to vote in the BCS, but withdrew itself due to their perceived lack of integrity. This did not invalidate that poll. It just meant that the BCS had to look for another polling institution...and in this case, they chose the Harris.

(4) The AP poll is compiled by sportswriters...aka, folks who actually WATCH the games. The Coaches' poll is compiled by the "insterest-conflicted" coaches, who do NOT watch the games.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

@Naval

So insecure and obsessed.
Tedious, really.
Your "False Bravado" has finally caught up with U.
Get back to us when the U can post a winning season in football.

Whatsnu
Sandy, UT

navel

"That doesn't refute my point that the Holiday Bowl back in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s was no more prestigious than the Las Vegas Bowl now."

Actually it does refute you point, since there were far fewer bowls in the 70's and 80's, the Holiday Bowl was much bigger than the Las Vegas, Sun, and many of the other minor bowls today that host mostly mediocre, unranked 5th and 6th place teams with 7-5 or worse records.

Compare that with the Holiday Bowl of the 80's, where Top 20 BYU teams regularly played Top 20 teams like Ohio State, SMU (the Pony Express), and Penn State.

backpacn
Sandy, UT

@lint

Remind us again which bowl the PACy-WACers played in last season.

I know it's difficult for U to keep up with all of your spin, but the Final Coaches poll IS the OFFICIAL Final bcs poll for purposes of crowning the bcs champion.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Whatsnu:

The Holiday Bowl didn't overtake the Sun Bowl in prestige until AFTER dumping the WAC. Prior to that, the Holiday took a distant backseat.

"...many of the other minor bowls today that host mostly mediocre, unranked 5th and 6th place teams with 7-5 or worse records."

Sort of like the 1984 Holiday Bowl dontcha think? An unranked, 6-5 Michigan team, who tied for 6th-place in the BigTen. Very Las Vegas Bowl-ish.

So back to my original point to CougFaninTX...apart from the 1997 Cotton Bowl, there were no other major/upper level bowl games the cougars had played in, and the Holiday of the 70s, 80s, and 90s = the Las Vegas of today.

"Compare that with the Holiday Bowl of the 80's, where Top 20 BYU teams regularly played Top 20 teams..."

The Y played in 6 Holiday Bowls in the 1980s. Only 3 were vs. ranked teams (#20 SMU, #15 Penn St, #12 Ohio St). So if "half" means "regular", than that fairly well matches up with the current Las Vegas Bowl as well (#25 Cal & Ariz, #18 BSU, #9 BSU, #8 BSU).

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

Naval Vet

You're all talk, but no walk when it comes to ultimate bowl team success.

SEVENTEEN of BYU's bowl teams (win or lose) have finished in the Final AP Top 25.

only FIVE of Utah's bowl teams (win or lose) have finished in the Final AP Top 25.

If Utah's bowl teams were even half as good as you pretend they were, more than five of them would have been good enough to be ranked in the Top 25.

The truth is, with the out-of-control proliferation of bowls beginning in the 90's, bowl game winners are now a dime a dozen. Not surprisingly, the vast majority of Utah's bowl wins occurred against mediocre teams beginning in the 90's.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

bacWACn:

"PACy-WACers"?

What a desperate jab. Which teams in the Pac-12 left their conference(s) to play WAC football over these past 40-yrs? Any? Nope? I thought not. In fact, the Indy-WACers played 50% MORE teams playing in the WAC these past 2 seasons, than the entire Pac-12 COMBINED. How frantic and emotional of you.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

talkinsports:

How are we "no walk"? We've beaten more teams ranked in the Final polls than the Indy-WACers...both in the overall "W" column, as well as the overall W/L pct.

"Not surprisingly, the vast majority of Utah's bowl wins occurred against mediocre teams beginning in the 90's."

Yes, not surprising...because THAT's when we put McBride, Meyer, and Whittingham on the sidelines. Had we had coaches like that back in the 70s and 80s, we still would have played in the postseason. You guys peaked in the 80s, but got passed up by Utah, TCU, and BSU by the time the BCS-era took root. Now Utah and TCU are playing "big boy" football, and BSU has taken firm control of the reins as the top mid-major school in the country.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Hey Naval,
At least BYU teams were going to bowl games in the 80's.

As for your comparison to the Vegas Bowl. Yes, there have been ranked teams in the Vegas Bowl. The difference is that those ranked teams in the Holiday Bowl played against a ranked BYU team.

For fun, let's go with you and just say that the Holiday Bowl was just an also-ran in the 80's when they were tied to the WAC. Why didn't Utah go to that "no better than the Vegas" Bowl when they had the chance? Let me answer that. Because they were always in the basement of the WAC. The WAC!

But, to help make your point(I can't believe I am doing this), if the Holiday Bowl was a better bowl than the Vegas bowl is now, it wasn't by much. Although, the Vegas Bowl has a ways to go just to match the payout of the Holiday Bowl then. By the end of the 80's the Holiday Bowl had a payout of $1.2 million per team. Today, the Vegas Bowl is at $1 million per team.

mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA

@navelvet

What a frantic and emotional response.

Who cares how many ranked teams the PACy-WACers have beaten, if you're not good enough to be ranked yourselves.

As a PACy-WACer you're not even good enough to qualify for a bowl game every year, let alone be ranked. Compare that to your big brother who has already been ranked once and has played in a bowl game every year as an Independent.

Actual results: (Coaches/AP/Sagarin)

2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)
2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) bowl no show

BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977 (18 Top 25 finishes in 35 seasons - over 50%)
Utah has only been ranked six times during the same period (17%)

Cherry-pick your highlights if it helps U sleep at night, but bottom line, overall records and rankings are the ultimate measures of success.

Eliot
Santaquin, UT

Actually, when comparing two teams, the ultimate measure of success is head-to-head competition. Since Utah has pretty much owned BYU the last couple of years I think it would be well for Cougar fans to give their chests a rest for a while and stop thumping them until something changes in the fall.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

mussingaround:

Weak SOS = more wins.

More wins = higher ranking.

Utah had more wins and a higher ranking than the Y during our final season in the MWC because we played similar schedules. Then, in 2011 and 2012, we played a significantly stronger SOS, and subsequently lost more games. Conversely, the Indy-WACers played a significantly weaker SOS, and therefore, won more games. You guys like to hide behind your W/L record because you know that head-to-head, there's just no comparison. Edge: Utah.

P.S.: When looking back at our common opponents these past few seasons, it's clear who was the better team. Obviously, the head-to-head appearances favor your big brother on the Hill, but our common opponents show our wins were no fluke. Over the past 3 seasons, Utah had gone 10-3 vs. common opponents. The Y had gone 8-5, and with one of those wins thanks to Chad Bunn. Edge: Utah. The margins of victory also favor the Utes by a total of 157-pts. There's no way to spin that.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougars1:

I don't know why you're arguing a point about Utah's ineptitude back in the 80s. No Ute fans had been suggesting otherwise. However, Utah's ineptitude of the 80s reversed by the 90s, and had regained the state's overall supremacy. Pointing back to the 80s does nothing to refute that fact.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Naval,
BYU still had the edge in the 90's. It wasn't until 2k that Utah regained supremacy. Yes, I said it. You can't call me a delusional Cougar fan. If Utah is better, then they are better. My only argument is that BYU had a better year last year than Utah. Utah needs to step up in the PAC or they will be no more relevant than Colorado, WSU, or any other team that continually finishes in the bottom half of the conference.

You also stated on another thread that the BYU/Utah game was decided in the 3rd quarter last year. If you want any sort of credibility, you at least need to be honest with yourself. You might start by not being so obsessed with BYU while claiming that you are a "fan" of the Utes.

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