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Published: Wednesday, March 6 2013 11:26 p.m. MST

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Bill Shakespeare
Salt Lake City, UT

UN? I don't think the folks down in LaVerkin are going to like this one bit.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

Article: "Violence against women isn't just physical, it can be structural..."
Eubanks, quoted in article: "[W]e look for partnering organizations that have a commitment to address this gender bias... We can find ways for inclusion..."

What great sentiments and great work. It is amazing that there are stil enclaves in the world where social instutions and cultural mores deny women and girls access to positions of power and authority simply on the basis of their sex. Good to see the LDS church working against this inequity.

MapleDon
Springville, UT

@Lagomorph

"It is amazing that there are stil enclaves in the world where social instutions and cultural mores deny women and girls access to positions of power and authority simply on the basis of their sex. Good to see the LDS church working against this inequity."

Huh? Are you being critical of the Church's denial of priesthood and leadership positions to women?

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

@MapleDon:
If the shoe fits... It's human nature to see the faults in others while overlooking our own (motes and beams). We easily find bias in other cultural and faith traditions to be alien and shocking while accepting similar bias in our own as right and natural and ordained by God. We abhor the inequitable gender distribution of wheelchairs in Botswana, the limits on education of girls in Pakistan, the burka in Afghanistan (all practices rooted in religion), yet we freely accept sex discrimination in our own culture and faith traditions. There is an irony there. Why is another society's sex discrimination something to be reversed, but our own something to be revered? Catholic charities do much much to benefit humanity around the world, and that should be commended, yet not a single nun is being considered to fill the current vacancy at the Vatican. How is that a good thing? Why are we comfortable with it?

John C. C.
Payson, UT

Don't solve the problem of equal status by asking that women and men fill identical roles. Let's rather develop a situation where different, complementary roles enjoy equal status.

Grace
Bakersfield, CA

1- Where are the DN monitors here? Lagomorph's comments are off-topic and disruptive.

2- This is a serious world problem. Kudos to the LDS Church for their work here.

3- Yes, @SLC Shakespeare: We have serious abuse problems of women and children within our own borders and purview. I would encourage trying all we can to help lower the high infant mortality rate in Hilldale and Colorado City. Their gravesites tell a sad tale. Escapees chronicle tragic abuse on many levels. Are we helpless to intervene?

Grace
Bakersfield, CA

Thank you for reporting on this issue and the efforts to help the abused. Lots of good work being done together.

@SLC posters:
This article has nothing to do with religious hierarchy, traditions or supposed deference to male clergy. Those issues are in other articles. Women who take issue with their clergy are free in many countries to register their protests. Obviously they are in the minority in the USA. Bible-believing women do not seek to usurp God's position, to speak for Him, or supplant themselves in another's designated position. If you don't like your denomination, go start your own.

Thinly veiled inferences to off-topic concerns should be monitored here so that substantive discussion on this serious tragedy can be unhindered.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@John C.C.
"Don't solve the problem of equal status by asking that women and men fill identical roles. Let's rather develop a situation where different, complementary roles enjoy equal status."

So... separate but equal?

OnlytheCross
Bakersfield, CA

@Lago-

FYI: No nun, female or Pope WannaBe feminist is being considered by the Vatican because Jesus called His (male) Disciples to fill certain positions in His Church. Women are called for many other ministries. Take it up with Him, or start your own religion. Imposing your cultural bias on others is coercive and unbecoming of a modern citizen.

I'm not Catholic, but I understand their tradition and dogma. I am a Bible-Believer, so I understand Paul's epistles' on Christ's ecclesiastical structure. You don't have to believe or accept it. Why do you expect others to swirch to your bias?

You should go to an Islamic country and try to change their religious beliefs. After all, they are much younger than Judaism or Christianity. While those religions have groups within which have acquiesced to modern pressure, some remain true to their founder.

HS Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

So why doesn't the church's two senators from Utah support the violence of woman act here at home? I'm not buying Orrins position that he thinks it's unconstituional. Violence against any innocent person, male or female, Indian or White, is just wrong and I don't need to read the constitution to understand that.

hermounts
Pleasanton, CA

It's disappointing to see Sister Eubank using an insanely broad definition orf "violence against women" here.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

The dogmatic statement "Take it up with god" is such a copout and a coward's refusal to engage in rational discourse.

Surely believers can do better than this.

Coach Biff
Lehi, UT

A Scientist,

It's not very becoming of a "scientist" to be purposefully obtuse. You know the answer but you make comments meant to prod someone into engaging in an argument that will only end in impasse. Surely, a "scientist" can do better than this.

The Scientist
Provo, UT

Coach Biff,

What an obtuse comment...

Jason Wharton
MALTA, ID

With all due respect, I thought it sounded rather absurd to call poor road conditions a condition of violence against women. I also think it is rather absurd to speak as if people have the idea that women should be denied wheel chairs. Is it just me, or does it seem like someone has lost their capacity to reason? What scares me is to think that someone with this kind of mentality has a significant level of control of a large amount of resources given in good faith to be used in strict accordance to the will of the Lord. This begs the question, since when does the UN merit our favor and encouragement as a church? I looked at its charter and it is almost a complete inversion of the Constitution. It has government as the master and people as the dependent subjects. This type of structure was Lucifer's brainchild, not the Father's.

WayneDe
MONROVIA, CA

HS Fan,

I think a little checking will show that while the 2 Utah senators voted negatively on the Violence Against Women legislation, the other 4 U.S. Senate members who are also members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints voted in favor of the measure. That appears to be a substantial 2/3 majority which is pretty close to the 69% vote in favor by the entire U.S. Senate. Of course none of these individuals specifically represent the LDS faith.

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