Why is it that far left wingers who admire Chavez don't mind an oppressive
government as long as it is socialist? Like his grandfather who was a bloody
revolutionary, Chavez was brutal to those he saw as a significant threat to him.
He shut down opposition television channels. Heavy propaganda and brainwashing
were commonplace. He amassed a two billion dollar personal fortune. Populist
socialist make a lot of false. pie-in-the-sky promises. He used Venezuela's
vast oil fortune to spread his own politics of revolution and left the
Venezuelan people in poverty. Major roads and bridges went were left without
repair.He made great efforts to embed his ideology of fear, intolerance and
division into the society, especially the youth. Worst of all he used the
politics of hate to bitterly divide his people.
Morales and Chavez are like brothers with the same Fidel type of actions. Raul
is not any different as he an Fidel are linked at the hip plus have the same
blood line. As Fidel or faithful is faithfully not for freedom, Venezuela under
Chavez or Bolivia under Morales are not for freedom. Chavez and Morales are
faithfully socialist, communists and anything but for freedom loving people.
Government cannot run businesses such as petroleum and mining and government
equates to corruption in many countries and especially those countries. People get lulled into complacency when everything is handed to them on
a plate. Chavez got a lot of his votes for medical care and living quarters
Re: JoeBlowPoint taken. Anytime someone uses or implies the term
"all" or "never" leaves open a lot of exceptions. In any case,
I'd be surprised if in Hugos case there are not a few more people of the
"left" in this country that will see Hugos passing as a bad thing than
will people of the "right".
Mountanman,Your dishonesty is absolutely shocking to me. I looked up the
two phrases you quoted and found that you are being very disingenuous."Chavez will continue to be an inspiration for all peoples who fight for
their liberation""Chavez will always be present in all the regions
of the world and all social sectors"Both are quotes from
Bolivian president Evo Morales, not from the press, not from the Democrats, not
from any American liberal figure. You are using the words of an extreme left
foreign politician describing another extreme left foreign politician in order
to discredit mainstream American liberals. If I found a quote from the leader of
a Somali religious terrorist cell praising Osama bin Laden, I could then also
say "the right defends Osama bin Laden". Do you see how ridiculous this
is?Do not try to compare Marxist socialist dictatorships to any
mainstream liberal philosophy in America. There is no comparison, unless you
also see similarities between the Taliban and American conservatism. Taking the
extreme of any philosophy to attack the mainstream is dishonest.
In a country that controls almost all the Press it is even more liberal than in
the United States of America. The man controlled the airwaves if not in person
by policy and mandatory use of guns to force the policy.Russia and
Communism existed for a long time with Pravda and equivalent. Russia did
everything right according to their dogmatic press over the past almost 100
years with leaders that always tell the truth to get their people to believe
them.Chavez garnered fame and glory from his select few and is able
to be his prophet and messiah. However, he has chosen to leave this earth and
hopefully Venezuelans will come away with fear and trepidation to form their own
non-militaristic government. Chavez really liked being a General and lived a
life of exquisite power for a lot of years, one way or another.The
1,700 miles of beautiful beaches, tall mountain ranges, deep jungles with
multitudes of water sources and outlets brings some real beauty and resources to
a country that is not free to do. They don't have the same type of life,
liberty nor the pursuit of happiness. They have government everywhere.
"Is your point that some Liberals in America really don't admire the
likes of Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro? "Nope, My point is that
there are all walks of life. Just because someone on the left, or the right for
that matter, has a view, it cannot be assigned to everyone in that group.And, yes, you can find people who are far left and far right that have
crazy ideas.But, the blanket statement was made that"Chavez. He is everything the left in America admires. He is the
consummate roll model for liberalism."Is ludicrous.
Wouldn't you say?Yes, partisans would love to paint the other
side with the statements of a few that do not reflect the mainstream of that
group.Do all conservatives believe that a "woman's body can
reject a pregnancy during rape"?Or that the earth is only 6000 years
old?Of course not. And one would be dishonest to suggest so.That, MG, is my point.out of posts.
Re: JoeBlowIs your point that some Liberals in America really
don't admire the likes of Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro? Because, unless
the stories I've heard are false, I've understood it that people like
Steven Speilberg, Oliver Stone, and yes, the aforementioned Sean Penn, have all
gone to their countries and "kissed the ring" of those guys. At least
I've never heard about one of them coming back and saying anything negative
about their visits. Am I wrong?
"What he said is what was said and still makes my point that those on the
left adored Chavez."Yes Mtnman. The left in BOLIVIA.I am amazed at the illogical lengths you will go to make a non point. Whats
next? Praise from Fidel Castro as proof that the left in the US loved
Chavez?How bout Dennis Rodman as proof the the left loves Kim Jong?
@ Joe Blow. Don't you ate it when people fact check your comments? Not at
all. What he said is what was said and still makes my point that those on the
left adored Chavez. If you need further evidence of the left's love of
Chavez, review some of the posts on this blog that adore him.
Actually, not Chicago, but Honduras.
Yes poverty levels are down to about 33% never lower, while Chavez banked over
two billion of the countries assets for his personal accounts. He is one of the
ultimate one percent. A country with billions in resources, and you can't
get staples like milk, sugar, flour, or hamburger. Inflation rates averaged
29.1% in 2010. Unemployment is at 12%. The US is the largest trading partner
with Venezuela. Opposition candidates are as likely to end up dead as to making
it through an election. The Murder rate in Venezuela is second highest only
surpassed by Chicago.
AllBlack.Facts of the matter? Really? Don't know for sure but
I have a feeling that your stats came from the Chavez government stats. Thank goodness for Obamacare, er I mean Castrocare. Socialism at
Mountanman writes"Chavez will continue to be an inspiration for
all peoples who fight for their liberation," "Chavez will always be
present in all the regions of the world and all social sectors. Hugo Chavez will
always be with us, accompanying us."How's that for the left
defending Chavez?Pretty weak, actually.Your quote was
from -"A teary-eyed Bolivian President Evo Morales, one of
Chavez's closest allies and most loyal disciples"So, you
are blaming the "left" for what a Bolivian President says?Don't you hate it when people fact check your posts?
I wonder if Hugo would be alive today if he had come to the U.S. for cancer
treatment? Oh wait, I forgot, Cuba has the best health care and education
system in the world. My mistake.
@ Joe blow: I looked online for some time in an attempt to find any conservative
who defended Chavez but found numerous articles from the left doing so, here is
one example: Associated Press March 6,""Chavez will continue to be an
inspiration for all peoples who fight for their liberation," "Chavez
will always be present in all the regions of the world and all social sectors.
Hugo Chavez will always be with us, accompanying us." How's that
for the left defending Chavez?
I must confess that the personality and mannerism of Hugo Chavez really annoyed
me. However, the people of Venezuela felt represented and was elected and
re-elected. No international observers accussed him of fraud.Regarding his legacy, he empowered the lower social classes of his nation. He
transform them from victims to participants in the political system.Many of the people who comment here feel that Hugo Chavez was the encarnation
of evil due to his rethoric against the U.S. Well, every story has at least two
sides. The U.S. you like to admit it or not is an empire. A political and
economic empire with the most powerful military power history has ever known. Is
it a surprise that other nations resent our intervention in their internal
afairs? Would we accept that?Rest in Peace President Chavez and I
hope Venezuelans have the integrity and wisdom to keep the good that has been
achieved, the strenght to change what is pervasive to their development.
Venezuela needs to heal their internal divisions and I am confident that
President Chavez was a catalyst for change in a rich nation were few that much
and the many had little.
"Chavez. He is everything the left in America admires"Ok
Left. Here is your chance to prove Mountanman right.Drop us a post
and tell us if and why you "admire" Chavez as Mountanman claims.If he really is the "consummate roll model for liberalism",
surely all you on the left would be happy to come to defend Chavez.
@ Jonathan Eddy. Bowing down to US dictators? You obviously mean Pelosi and
Obama, right? The press loves Chavez. He is everything the left in America
admires. He is the consummate roll model for liberalism.
Having lived there after a dictator in the 1960s, the people were relieved to
have an elected but not perfect President. The dictator didn't like
vehicles honking their horns so he made it a prohibited practice in the downtown
area where his palace was not far from the slums. He called that part of town
"Silencio". When he was ousted, the people honked their owns
continuously in that part of town for days.Some say this man was
good. I don't agree that Hugo Chavez added glory to the country but he did
to himself. When I lived in Venezuela, Che Guevarra was in the hills and like
Fidel his soul mate, it was not for the benefit of the country. Fidel tried to
get the people's support but did not succeed by force so he found his man,
Hugo Chavez to do it without a war of machinery but politics and the voting
machine.There are ways to take control of the country and
people's minds. Promise them the moon-stars and they will vote for you.
He had his power and authority as a General in their military to use in his
@AllBlackAnd when Mussolini ran Italy, the trains always ran on
time. @worfAnd we all know when Republicans like George
H.W. Bush pass away, liberals will be oh so polite, kind and thoughtful in how
they honor him.
Chavez has been demonized by the press for years. Why? Could it be that he
decided to never let his country bow down to US dictators?
@Meadow Lark Mark"we need the government to take total care of
us in every aspect of our lives!!"Yes! Even if it means
such classy comments by our conservative friends on this thread, way to stay
For the people here critical of Mr. Chavez or those claiming that freedom can
now come to Venezuela, the facts of the matter are that under Chavez's
rule:-poverty went down from an estimated 43% in '99 to 26% in
'10 according to the world bank, extreme poverty also fell but by 72%-infant mortality rate fell by 18% between 1998 and 2006-unemployment fell from 15% in 99 to 8% in 09Now he did
nationalize many foreign industries, he didn't like the USA or its meddling
in Venezuela's oil industry and inflation is still high. Inflation was 29%
in '10 but it was also 29% in '89 and 99% in '96 before Chavez
came to power. But if infant mortality dropped under Chavez then nationalized
industries and a stubbornly high inflation rate are worth paying for. Results
matter more than ideology.
What a shame. Sad. He will be missed by many. Foruntateley I am not one of
Today too many in the United States want to be like Venezuela. Isn't that
the answer to everything, we need the government to take total care of us in
every aspect of our lives!! Yes then all will be well for us.
Chavez went to Cuba to get medical care than Venezuela. Venezuela was a country
with a lot of capital from the oil drilling, extraction, processing and
exporting. Chavez became what Cuba got with Castro. Chavez basically made
everything government owned or controlled. Their nation is much worse off than
it was in the 1960s and 1970s. An Army General to a President that was
dictatorial and controlling. They have so many natural resources and great
people and professional existed there. Engineers trained in the United States
of America were such a potential for a country that had the benefit of oil.
Castro only had sugar cane and didn't do a great job with that. At least
with Cuba in communism that kept Las Vegas and Atlantic City on a roll without
Havana and the tropical paradise recreation. It will be interesting to see if
the Vice President type person is really able to run the country now that
absentia didn't last forever. Bolivia and Nicaragua still have their
allegiance to Castro but Hugo is not in the picture anymore.Venezuela promising potential for years. When the dictator got deposed in
1960s the people honked their cars for days.
Let's hope freedom, and liberty springs from this. May we avoid
leaders like Hugo here in the United States of America.
Send Dennis Rodman (our Ambassador at Large( to represent the US and President
Obama at his funeral. I am sure he would have many kind words to leave for the
dead Head of State.
Now what's going to happen when Barack Obama's most conspicuous
cheerleader can't cheer for his favorite American President? Maybe another
two-bit communist dictator will come forward so the Obama administration can
give them their full support.
Let us hope that new leadership will move Venezuela back into the modern era of
politics and away from the socialist/communist mentality. I love the
Venezuelana people and want better for them.
Lest we forget...Chavez's cancer was Bush's fault. Or was
it the Republicans in the House?
A great opportunity for many people to take countrol of what is rightfully
theirs--their country and lives. Hopefully someone who is honorable will take
over as a true leader of this country.