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Jepsen drops Boy Scouts event over gay rights

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  • Hippie Farmgirl Farmington, UT
    March 9, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    Why they invited her I'll never know. It's no great loss.

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    March 8, 2013 8:59 p.m.

    Interesting how every so many years this discussion and issue becomes hot button. Much of it comes back to what we believe the definition of morally straight is. If the BSA changes that to include homosexuality so be it, if they continue to hold to their '91 memo so be it.

    As many people (both hetero and homo sexual) have expressed we shouldn't try to change something just because its different. The Boy Scouts are different from other organizations and we should accept and appreciate that, regardless of whether it fits into our box of personal beliefs. Diversity is what makes the world a great place to live in.

    I applaud those who stand up for what they believe and don't back down from what they feel is right.

  • amazondoc USA, TN
    March 8, 2013 1:38 a.m.

    @John --

    "Gays have always been welcome in both the Boy Scouts of America"

    That's simply not true, John. The 1991 policy memo clearly states that "homosexuals do not provide a desirable role model"; and the current official position is to "not grant membership to individuals who are open or avowed homosexuals". Those statements don't say "people who practice homosexual behaviors". They simply say "homosexuals". Those "undesirable" homosexuals could just as easily be celibate. The policy doesn't acknowledge any difference between practicing and non-practicing -- it specifically condemns the attraction itself.

    Obviously, the BSA has the legal power to set their own membership policies, since they are a private organization. But that doesn't mean it is morally *right* for them to discriminate in this way. Heck, even Mitt Romney disagrees with this policy. He has specifically stated: "I feel that all people should be able to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation".

    Fortunately, the man who is expected to be the next president of the BSA's national board (Randall Stephenson) also opposes this discrimination, so with any luck it will be ending in the near future.

  • Danny Chipman Lehi, UT
    March 7, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    John C. C.

    Very well put.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    March 7, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    Gays have always been welcome in both the Boy Scouts of America and in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So are alcoholics, porn addicts, hetero-sexuals, kleptomaniacs, etc., as long as they adhere to the standards of both organizations, which include moral cleanliness, an acceptance of a duty to God, and other behavior standards. I, for one, even worship a God who "was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15)

    The difference is one's choices, not one's inclinations.

  • amazondoc USA, TN
    March 6, 2013 10:11 p.m.

    @David --

    Of course the Boy Scouts does not admit girls -- it is the BOY Scouts. Also, it is the BS OF AMERICA -- not the BS of Britain. And British boys are -- you guessed it -- in Britain. ;-) However, the BSA is NOT called the "Straight Christian BSA"; it is the BSA, period.

    The BSA is intolerant not just for excluding gays, but also for the **reason** they do so. As stated in a 1991 BSA policy memo: "homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the requirements in the Scout Oath that a Scout be morally straight and in the Scout Law that a Scout be clean in word and deed, and that homosexuals do not provide a desirable role model". IOW, they specifically believe that homosexuality is immoral and that homosexuals are undesirable human beings. They could insist that being black is immoral with just as much justification -- IOW, none. THAT is intolerance.

    Incidentally, BSA membership has dropped by almost 20 percent since the Supreme Court BSA vs. Dale decision. Multiple major corporate sponsors have pulled out specifically because of the BSA's policy of discrimination. Even the Girl Scouts and 4-H clubs don't discriminate in this way. Only the BSA.

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 6, 2013 8:17 p.m.

    Amazondoc,

    An organization can establish its own requirements for participation. This does not define them as bigots. I doubt anyone would argue that girls should be entitled for admission into the BSA. Likewise, British boys would not be admitted in the BSA. British Boy Scouts have their own Scouting organization. Girls have their own Scouting organization.

    It is not bigotry to exclude girls, or British boys from the BSA.

    Other organizations also establish their own requirements for participation and involvement and are not guilty of bigotry.

    Bigotry has been defined as the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, and intolerance on the basis of a person's race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, religion, language, socioeconomic status, or other status.

    Simply excluding someone for any of the above mentioned reasons does not necessarily make the organization bigoted. Rather it is the state of mind, the emotions of hatred, intolerance, contempt.

    I have never seen hatred, intolerance or contempt exhibited by the BSA towards gays and have been involved for over 30 years with the BSA.

    Gays could start their own Scouting organization.

  • George Bronx, NY
    March 6, 2013 6:35 p.m.

    @ amazon doc
    Thank you

    @ lost
    I received my Eagle Scout many moons ago and went on to be an assistant scout master for several years. No one ever was concerned about mine or any one else's orientation. I am also old enough to remember when certain religious organizations threatened to dumb the scouts if they refused to comply with their particular brands of beliefs. So you can tell me I am wrong all you want I lived it .

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    March 6, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    @ Lost in DC
    Dear Lost,
    What I (I'm speaking just for me) usually feel for some conservative positions could be define as "derision". Unfortunately, some conservative positions are too harmful not to consider them seriously.

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    March 6, 2013 3:33 p.m.

    I only hope that entertainers who do support BSA are not then blacklisted by the rest of the Politically Correct world. Remember what used to happen to any artist who dared go to South Africa to perform. Tolerance in the PC world is a one way street.

  • amazondoc USA, TN
    March 6, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    @David --

    From the American Heritage Dictionary: "The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot; intolerance."

    From Merriam-Webster: "acts or beliefs characteristic of a bigot" -- bigot: "...especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance "

    I, for one, would welcome Christians and/or folks of any religion, or ethnic group, or sexual orientation, into any group or club I might belong to or organize. And yes, I'd even welcome Boy Scouts -- after all, my own father was an Eagle Scout in his day.

    Unfortunately, the BSA are not nearly as tolerant as I am. They refuse to tolerate an entire group of people simply because of their inborn sexual orientation, regardless of the actual **character** or **actions** of those people. Yup, intolerance. Apply whatever synonym you prefer.

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 6, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    Baccus, George, look up the definition of bigotry and explain how the BSA fits this definition. Then ask yourself if the BSA meets this definition in your opinion, how you would also not fit the definition for your position regarding the BSA.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 6, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    Baccus,
    you mean what libs show to conservatives?

    George,
    the BSA had that code LONG before being associated with any religious organization. They were not co-opted by anyone.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    March 6, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    @ David:
    you wrote:
    "Yep I agree. It is too risky for a business and public figure to associate and openly support an organization that promotes service, citizenship, advancement, the outdoor code of environmental appreciation and preservation, respect, trustworthy, loyalty, friendliness, courteousness, kindness, cleanliness, bravery, reverence, obedience, cheerfulness, thriftiness,...."

    ....and bigotry. Don't forget bigotry.

  • George Bronx, NY
    March 6, 2013 4:28 a.m.

    @david
    Yep, I agree, to bad the Boy Scouts have made the choice to allow certain religious groups to turn their organization into yet another platform attack the secular world. And allowed their holy war to overshadow the good work they are capable of.

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 5, 2013 10:30 p.m.

    Scoundrel,

    Yep I agree. It is too risky for a business and public figure to associate and openly support an organization that promotes service, citizenship, advancement, the outdoor code of environmental appreciation and preservation, respect, trustworthy, loyalty, friendliness, courteousness, kindness, cleanliness, bravery, reverence, obedience, cheerfulness, thriftiness,....

  • George Bronx, NY
    March 5, 2013 8:53 p.m.

    thank you

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 5, 2013 6:38 p.m.

    Obama10 -- If Obama doesn't attend the Jamboree, he will be just like GW Bush, who attended only one of the two while he was in office, or Ronald Reagan who did not attend any.

    Now what was that you said again?

  • Spoc Ogden, UT
    March 5, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    Jepson who?

    I could not care any less.

  • Californian#1@94131 San Francisco, CA
    March 5, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    I am not a professional entertainer. If I were, I would offer to take those performers' place.

  • Pack Layton, Utah
    March 5, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    This just shows the stupidity of these entertainers who claim they did not know what the BSA stood for.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    March 5, 2013 2:28 p.m.

    So I agree with most of the comments that argue that both the BSA and these groups get to make their own choices but I have to wonder if these same people will feel the same way if the BSA does decide to change their policy to include gay people. If not then how is your insisting they do not change different then those that insist they should?

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    March 5, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    I rely like the idea [We the people by the people, and for the people]. I would not attend a birthday party if I wasn't invited. If it was my birthday party I would want to invite who I want. Every one is welcome to come or not it's by invitation only.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    March 5, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    So, did the BSA suddenly change their policy? No.
    This is just a publicity stunt by the performer.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    March 5, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    I dunno...dropping Carly Rae Jepsen seems like a reward for the Boy Scouts, not a punishment.

    Drop me maybe?

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    March 5, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    I agree with the other comments, but I was curious as to having the rock concert at the National Jamboree? I have never been, but have always wanted to attend a National Jamboree, and wouldn't have ever thought of a rock concert being part of the experience. I'm sure President Obama, who as President, is the Honorary President of the BSA, will probably not attend either, just like four years ago.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 5, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    Hold to your values BSA, even if you have to stand alone! Let those who disagree make their choices along with the consequences.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    March 5, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    Carly Rae and Train have every right to decide when and where they will perform and should be commended for standing up for their personal beliefs. The BSA should be afforded those same rights and commendations.

  • Clue Bay AMERICAN FORK, UT
    March 5, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    Everyone has their right to participate or not. I am one of the silent majority of Americans that commends the BSA for sticking to their principles and adhere to the "Physically Strong, Mentally Awake and Morally Straight" Oath!