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Published: Tuesday, March 5 2013 10:43 a.m. MST

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Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@ Lost in DC
Dear Lost,
What I (I'm speaking just for me) usually feel for some conservative positions could be define as "derision". Unfortunately, some conservative positions are too harmful not to consider them seriously.

George
Bronx, NY

@ amazon doc
Thank you

@ lost
I received my Eagle Scout many moons ago and went on to be an assistant scout master for several years. No one ever was concerned about mine or any one else's orientation. I am also old enough to remember when certain religious organizations threatened to dumb the scouts if they refused to comply with their particular brands of beliefs. So you can tell me I am wrong all you want I lived it .

David
Centerville, UT

Amazondoc,

An organization can establish its own requirements for participation. This does not define them as bigots. I doubt anyone would argue that girls should be entitled for admission into the BSA. Likewise, British boys would not be admitted in the BSA. British Boy Scouts have their own Scouting organization. Girls have their own Scouting organization.

It is not bigotry to exclude girls, or British boys from the BSA.

Other organizations also establish their own requirements for participation and involvement and are not guilty of bigotry.

Bigotry has been defined as the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, and intolerance on the basis of a person's race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, religion, language, socioeconomic status, or other status.

Simply excluding someone for any of the above mentioned reasons does not necessarily make the organization bigoted. Rather it is the state of mind, the emotions of hatred, intolerance, contempt.

I have never seen hatred, intolerance or contempt exhibited by the BSA towards gays and have been involved for over 30 years with the BSA.

Gays could start their own Scouting organization.

amazondoc
USA, TN

@David --

Of course the Boy Scouts does not admit girls -- it is the BOY Scouts. Also, it is the BS OF AMERICA -- not the BS of Britain. And British boys are -- you guessed it -- in Britain. ;-) However, the BSA is NOT called the "Straight Christian BSA"; it is the BSA, period.

The BSA is intolerant not just for excluding gays, but also for the **reason** they do so. As stated in a 1991 BSA policy memo: "homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the requirements in the Scout Oath that a Scout be morally straight and in the Scout Law that a Scout be clean in word and deed, and that homosexuals do not provide a desirable role model". IOW, they specifically believe that homosexuality is immoral and that homosexuals are undesirable human beings. They could insist that being black is immoral with just as much justification -- IOW, none. THAT is intolerance.

Incidentally, BSA membership has dropped by almost 20 percent since the Supreme Court BSA vs. Dale decision. Multiple major corporate sponsors have pulled out specifically because of the BSA's policy of discrimination. Even the Girl Scouts and 4-H clubs don't discriminate in this way. Only the BSA.

John C. C.
Payson, UT

Gays have always been welcome in both the Boy Scouts of America and in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So are alcoholics, porn addicts, hetero-sexuals, kleptomaniacs, etc., as long as they adhere to the standards of both organizations, which include moral cleanliness, an acceptance of a duty to God, and other behavior standards. I, for one, even worship a God who "was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15)

The difference is one's choices, not one's inclinations.

Danny Chipman
Lehi, UT

John C. C.

Very well put.

amazondoc
USA, TN

@John --

"Gays have always been welcome in both the Boy Scouts of America"

That's simply not true, John. The 1991 policy memo clearly states that "homosexuals do not provide a desirable role model"; and the current official position is to "not grant membership to individuals who are open or avowed homosexuals". Those statements don't say "people who practice homosexual behaviors". They simply say "homosexuals". Those "undesirable" homosexuals could just as easily be celibate. The policy doesn't acknowledge any difference between practicing and non-practicing -- it specifically condemns the attraction itself.

Obviously, the BSA has the legal power to set their own membership policies, since they are a private organization. But that doesn't mean it is morally *right* for them to discriminate in this way. Heck, even Mitt Romney disagrees with this policy. He has specifically stated: "I feel that all people should be able to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation".

Fortunately, the man who is expected to be the next president of the BSA's national board (Randall Stephenson) also opposes this discrimination, so with any luck it will be ending in the near future.

OCoug
Ogden, UT

Interesting how every so many years this discussion and issue becomes hot button. Much of it comes back to what we believe the definition of morally straight is. If the BSA changes that to include homosexuality so be it, if they continue to hold to their '91 memo so be it.

As many people (both hetero and homo sexual) have expressed we shouldn't try to change something just because its different. The Boy Scouts are different from other organizations and we should accept and appreciate that, regardless of whether it fits into our box of personal beliefs. Diversity is what makes the world a great place to live in.

I applaud those who stand up for what they believe and don't back down from what they feel is right.

Hippie Farmgirl
Farmington, UT

Why they invited her I'll never know. It's no great loss.

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