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Published: Tuesday, March 5 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Emajor
Ogden, UT

I agree with this in many ways. But there are a few problems. Our economy is set up such that endless growth is required for it to be considered healthy. It's the behavior of cancer. Static or declining population levels have economic consequences.

The other problem is religiously driven family sizes. Religion is a powerful motivator, and one that causes adherents to turn a blind eye towards any consequences and realities that run counter to doctrine. So if they believe their god wants them to have "a full quiver" of children, that is what is going to happen regardless of the associated crowding, pollution, or resource scarcity. I know people like this, wonderful & nice people, but the adverse consequences of their large family sizes doesn't even show up on their radars.

The one bright spot is that population growth tends to decline over time in educated prosperous countries. So eventually we'll level off. Whether that happens before the Wasatch Front turns into another smog-infested, overcrowded, overpriced, water-poor mess like Los Angeles is anyone's guess.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Clean and green is the only growth in Salt Lake Valley now and in the future to avoid health problems to children.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Please do not plan for nor otherwise facilitate or encourage growth."

Yeah. Just let it happen willy-nilly. Let the traffic deteriorate even further. Make sure we have LA-style gridlock every day. And, turn Utah into a Detroit-style abandoned cesspool.

That'll keep out all the "undesirables" [meaning that evil human "infestation"].

one old man
Ogden, UT

Procura says: "Yeah. Just let it happen willy-nilly. Let the traffic deteriorate even further. Make sure we have LA-style gridlock every day. And, turn Utah into a Detroit-style abandoned cesspool."

Isn't that exactly what the Utah GOP is doing right now?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

It amazes me while traveling to other coutries who have been around since the Holy Roman empire, the Japanese Samuri, the Pharoahs and Holy Land of Christ -- they recycle, re-use, and improve upon existinng buildings and housing.

They do not suffer from the ghettos, rundown neighborhoods, and endless urban sprawl and commuting grid-lock with vast and taxing freeways and interstate projects.

People in Utah turn their noses up at old houses,
and old houses are considered anything made only 10 years ago.

It's a pride thing quite frankly,
and we should all know what happens to those caught up in that Pride cycle.

Grover
Salt Lake City, UT

LA has the best and most advance freeway system in the Country and has it solved their traffic problems? Is building more roads the answer?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

...and,
Could someone please explain to me why Utah doesn't have building codes requiring 2x6 minimum exterior walls and triple paned windows [reducing energy comsuption by 50-75%] for all new home construction like other states with even less temperature fluxuations do?

George
Bronx, NY

growth is not the problem it is about smart growth. the problem in Utah is suburban sprawl not population and industrial growth. believe it or not you can actually survive without your .25 acres sole patch of grass. Urban density allows you to park your car, actually get to know your neighbors, reduce pollution and preserve open lands. come to NY see the blue sky, the lush green foliage, walk the neighborhoods (which yes you can do very safely), take the short ride by train out to the forest that border our great city or better yet enjoy the the thick and beautiful foliage of central park. urban density is not your enemy.

airnaut
Everett, 00

Salt Lake is a sad example of urban growth.

Take for example down town.
In most major cities - London, Paris, Washington D.C., Seattle, etc.
Anything with a famous landmark is protected.

Paris can not have building over 4 stories tall to protect the Eiffel Tower and the Cathedral of Norte Dame,
Seattle skyscrappers must be at least 1 mile from the Space Needle.
Wahsington D.C. can not have buildings over 4 to 6 office level stories in heighth.

Salt Lake city used to be recognized World-wide for the LDS Salt Lake Temple.
It is now just another tiny dot dwarfed by capitalistic icons of Babylon - Banks, Law offices, Shopping Centers and Condominiums, etc.

The gentiles were right building the Capitol up on the hill over looking the vast Valley.
It appears Government and Capitalism metaphically overhadow the establishment of Zion now.

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

Ultimately, this letter is calling for population control and the restrictions of personal and religious freedom that go along with it.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "They [apparently speaking of Europe, Japan, Egypt, and Israel] do not suffer from the ghettos, rundown neighborhoods, and endless urban sprawl and commuting grid-lock with vast and taxing freeways and interstate projects."

You've apparently never been to those places.

It's interesting that liberals' main causes these days all center around control -- gun control, population control, marriage control, morals control, academic control, environmental control, information control, healthcare control, asteroid control, crop control, open lands control, and, of course, the topic of this article -- growth control.

Liberals must be in a constant state of exhaustion, carrying around that awful burden! They've clearly come to believe they're the only ones smart enough and capable enough to control the universe. And they apparently fear that, if they let go, somehow we'll all die.

Exhausting!

chilly
Salt Lake City, UT

Joe Andrade wanted to write another letter about the looming danger of catastrophic global warming but knew he'd get laughed at after the cold and snowy winter we're having. So, he went to the doom and gloomers' second favorite topic: OVER-POPULATION.

Fact is, the western world is facing much more of a threat from having low fertility (replacement) rates. Russia and Japan are in trouble due dropping fertility rates also. The U.S. has dropped below replacement rate of 2.06 (in 2009) to 1.96 (2011). Western Europe, Russia and Japan have even lower rates that this.

Joe should worry less about "sustainability" and start thinking about what will happen in the world when there aren't nearly enough young people to care for aging populations.

airnaut
Everett, 00

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT
Re: "They [apparently speaking of Europe, Japan, Egypt, and Israel] do not suffer from the ghettos, rundown neighborhoods, and endless urban sprawl and commuting grid-lock with vast and taxing freeways and interstate projects."

You've apparently never been to those places.

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Not only been there, I've lived in many of those places.

When will you conservatives drop the American exceptionalism?

America is a pretty great place, but far from perfect and having ALL the answers.
There is alot we can learn and adopt from other places.

We would be wise to gleen the best of truth, no matter where or what the source.

George
Bronx, NY

@procu
I know I have asked this before but would you please learn the meaning of the terms you are using "urban density" (New York City) and "suburban sprawl" (the vast majority of the salt lake, weber and utah county valleys) are to very different things so please try to stop equating urban density with sprawl. airnaut is right you really should visit some of these places so you can begin to understand the differences. Come to NY visit greenwhich village where I live meet the people it really is nothing like you could imagine.

Roscoe
West Jordan, UT

Ah yes, the old "head in the sand" approach.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . would you please learn the meaning of the terms you are using . . . ."

Anything for you, sweetie.

But, need to educate you about someone who suggests there are no ghettos or freeways in Europe, rundown neighborhoods in Israel or Egypt, or urban sprawl or commuting gridlock in Japan. All that stuff was alive and well last time I was there.

Someone who'd disingenuously suggest we should "drop" American exceptionalism is selling something. Something rotten.

Don't buy it.

I've lived in other socialist "workers' paradises," -- the former Yugoslavia, Bolivia, Hungary, Bulgaria, and the states of Washington and Virginia.

Same problems there.

I admit, I've never been to the Bronx, but I hope you're not suggesting there's no gridlock, sprawl, or ghettos there.

Ya' see, I've been all over the world. I live in Utah by choice. Because it's NOT a dull, gray, rundown, soulless, eurosocialist "workers' paradise."

Like liberals are aching to make Utah.

George
Bronx, NY

@procu

Once again I live in greenwhich village not the Bronx and yes I am saying we do not have urban sprawl, sadly there are sedentary areas of my state that have Suberban sprawl which is the condition that exist in the salt lake valley. Again come and visit but may I suggest anyone that does leave the Utah adattude at the door and you will have a much different/ better experience. New Yorkers are very nice people but have little patients for rude people.

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