Start by taxing things as they really are -- for example, carried interest is
really earned income and not a capital gain. The income in off-shore accounts
is real income, not anything else, which in a lot of cases totally escapes
taxaction thanks to the entities created by Mitt Romney and those like him.Prosecute and impose penalties on companies and indiviuals who try to
promote tax evasion schemes like the "Son of Boss" scheme, and prosecute
to the fullest any company official who promotes or advocate the scheme. Fully tax "job creators" if they don't actually create jobs
-- give them tax credits for jobs actualy created and penalties if they just put
amounts gained from tax reductions in their pockets and don't create any
jobs. Reward companies that bring jobs back to the United States,
and severely penalize those companies (and their officers and influential
investors) that off-shore jobs. Take away any tax deduction for costs involved
with off-shoring jobs, and impose an immmediate penalty equal to the costs of
off-shoring for doing so.That would do a lot to eliminate the tax
cheating scheme and tax cheats, or at least make them pay.
"a family with 2 parents and 5 kids would still be paying state income taxes
at that income level."Cmon Red. Quit moving the bar and follow
the conversationThe whole thread is about FEDERAL INCOME TAX.Focus.Romneys 47% statement had absolutely nothing to do
with state income tax.Geez. Anyway, so, It would appear
that by Romneys definition of takers, that my mythical family fits that bill.You are too much.
Ultra tax to the rescue.One overall tax to be collected by the
federal government and apportioned to states, counties, towns according to
population. Simplicity is the key to honesty in this case. A flat
rate income tax to be collected as a percentage of the payout from business
operations. All outgoing payments of a business operation are income to
somebody. Old, young, rich, poor, American, foreign, male or female pay the
same flat rate, only they don’t know it. They never see it, what they see
in their pay, whether earnings or dividends is their own pay to do with as they
please. Zero tax on business profits retained in the business.
Special local taxes for local services peculiar to the local might be necessary.
But the best part is the elimination of the cost to process individual forms,
which are the tools of tax cheats.
Simplifying the tax code is a hugely laudable endeavor. It's going to be
incredibly difficult to accomplish, however, because there are so many vested
interests who will fight with every ounce of their being and every dollar of
their resources to protect their own slice of the tax code pie. Just watch the
outrage if and when the POTUS or congress make proposals in this area. Vested
interests will take out full page ads in all the major newspapers and buy ad
time on all the major T.V. channels trying to scare people into opposing tax
code simplification that affects themselves. The tax codes are as complicated
as they are because vested interests have paid huge sums in donations to get the
code the way it is. That being said, we really need to pressure our
own representatives to go against their campaign contributors and support
simplifying the tax code.
@Joe BlowDid you miss the part where I said that there should be some way
for both sides to compromise on a graduated income tax. That means the wealthy
will pay a higher percentage. To solve our problems both sides will have to
compromise. All I am saying is that everyone would have to pay some federal
taxes. Benefits cost money and is it entirely unreasonable for those to whom
the benefits mostly go help to pay for some of them. The left always complains
about everyone paying their fair share, but those paying $0 aren't paying
any share let alone their fair share. With the mess our federal government is
in, we will probably have to raise taxes on everybody to not only balance our
budget but actually start paying off some of the national debt.
Oh joy.Another tax plan that would hike taxes for the middle and
lower classes while lowering them on the rich. And the right wonders
why most Americans find them out of touch?
To "JoeBlow" I hate to break it to you, but if you use one of the
various tax estimators, a family with 2 parents and 5 kids would still be paying
state income taxes at that income level.Apparently Utah does their
best at keeping everybody's "skin in the game."
"Perhaps if the poor had some skin in the game, "Dart,I am too lazy to do the calculation, but I wonder how many in Utah with
large families pay ZERO federal income tax.This year the personal
exemption is $3800I think a married couple whose adjusted income is
under $18,700 pay no income tax. I very well could be wrong.But if
you have 5 kids plus 2 adults that is 26,600 in deductions.Add a mortgage
deduction- $6000Add some charitable giving - $5000Probably
have to make over $60,000 before paying income tax. I am guessing the number is
higher but I'm no accountant.There are certainly a lot of
people with large families that work their tails off and pay ZERO income
taxes.Think about who technically has no "skin in the game"
and then determine how much MORE they should pay while we cut taxes to the
Sadly, almost everyone agrees that the tax code should be simplified, but
getting Congress to do it is next to impossible. Ideologically, I support a
flat tax for everyone, with no deductions for anything. But, realistically,
that will never happen. It should still be possible to create a graduated tax
system that will make neither party happy but satisfy everyone. It would have
to tax everyone and that includes the poor who currently get back all their
income tax at the end of the year. No one gets back, no returns. Perhaps if
the poor had some skin in the game, they would also pressure Congress and the
President to be more responsible with OUR money. Right now too many people just
want more benefits, more free stuff, because in the end they don't pay
anything for it. The tax code would also have to tax the wealthy as much as
possible without being vicious and punishing them for being successful.
Politicians have made an art now of making all people who make over X amount of
dollars into a villain who only cares about their own money. The system
shouldn't punish success.
"and the IRS can come after us for not having insurance or anything related
to that?"You mean like the Heritage foundation proposed in the
90's?From Fox news (google insurance mandate)The
mandate, requiring every American to purchase health insurance, appeared in a
1989 published proposal by Stuart M. Butler of the conservative Heritage
Foundation called "Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans,"
which included a provision to "mandate all households to obtain adequate
insurance."And there absolutely was a tax penalty for not
getting insurance.My how GOP ideas get panned when a Dem takes them
Can you imagine what it will be like once Obamacare is fully implemented and the
IRS can come after us for not having insurance or anything related to that?
How about eliminating the tax cheats AT the IRS.Year after year I
diligently pd. my taxes to the best of my understanding of a (complicated) tax
code.I was audited for a tax yr. 4 yrs. previous. I believed, and
still do, that I had done everything correct. The IRS thought differently.Without going into a lot of boring details my problem came down to two
different readings of the tax code. Two sentences. She (the IRS
examiner)didn't agree with me so I could either hire an attorney at a cost
very near the amount they said I owed, or pay the amount plus interest.The audit was a HUGE wake-up call as to how they work. The examiner was
constantly making snarky comments about Utah and its large families (not my
problem in this case), she was entirely unprofessional. She had direct access
to my checking/banking accounts.I can see why so many Americans fear
them.BTW - I "borrowed" someone else's DN login to
post this. I have no doubt they can/will come after anyone who complains too
loud.Very inefficient way to collect revenue.
While I agree with this editorial, it ignores one ting: many of our great
corporations and hyper-rich citizens have spent a great deal of money on
congressional "donations" to make the tax code as complicated as it is.
They will spend an equal amount to ensure that it stays that complicated,
because they benefit greatly in excess of what they "donate".
I am an American. While I may strive to pay only the taxes ask of me, I feel
that the very best use of my money of all my expenditures is by my federal
government. The benefits ascribed to me by being an American, far outdistance
the benefits received from any of my other governments, public or private.
Both in actual quantity and quality for the dollar spent. I believe
the profusion of confusion of the tax law is the main reason for the tax
cheating. And that the purpose of the confusion is a deliberate action on the
part of some Americans who don’t want to pay their fair share and the
parasites who use the confusion to make an unnecessary need for their services.
Support for our government should be automatic, not require
individual tax, easy to understand, easy to enforce, and spread the cost fairly
Yes, we need to simplify the tax code. And it would not be that difficult to
do. Unfortunately, our politicians will use that concept to further
their ideology. They will not attempt to simply "simplify" it. They
will make changes to change the tax structure to further their political
ideology.How about this. Determine tax brackets. Lower
the tax rates per bracket. Get rid of Any and Every deduction.And
have the goal to be that everyone pays roughly the same tax that they do
today.For that lower rate?No mortgage deduction. Not
child tax credit. No charity deduction. No tax credits of any kind. No
Farm Subsidies. If you make $100K. Your tax is X. Makes no
difference how or where you made your money.It aint that tough to do
if our elected officials did not get campaign contributions to give breaks to
those who bribe, er, I mean "contribute" to campaigns.Can
you imagine how the Accounting/Tax prep lobby would kick into high gear?
Part of the problem is that so many people pay for things with cash, which is
easy for small business owners to hide from the government. The
other part of the problem is that enforcement of tax law is so minimal. The guy
who cleans your carpets or drives your taxi, gets paid in cash, and doesn't
include those cash payments on his taxes has very little chance of getting
caught. As more and more people use credit cards instead of cash,
and as credit card companies start reporting their info to the IRS (which
happened for the first time this year) tax evasion will decrease.