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Published: Sunday, March 3 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Back in 1945, 40% of all American workers didn't pay any income tax for the same reason they don't now: they don't make enough money.

Hayden, ID

What if paying more taxes won't stop the government from spending it and much, much more as what is happening today? It does no good to pay more taxes if the government spending is out of control! Why pay more taxes?


It will be as easy as getting milk from a bull. The reason so many pay so little is because they live day to day and don't typically have $500 to spend all at once. They are... POOR. Sure they have a fridge and a TV, but they don't have MONEY.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

Greg, I'm sorry, but you miss the point. Those 47 million you refer to already pay a fair amount in taxes. The question you should be asking is why they are not paid enough to qualify to pay income taxes while so much wealth is being funneled to the top of the food chain. The problem is not that these people aren't carrying their share of the national tax load. The problem is that they are not receiving a fair share of the wealth that they do in fact create.

If what certain Republican commentators claim is true, that profit should go to those who create it, then the common laborers should get a much bigger share of it than the current system is designed to give them.

William Gronberg
Payson, UT

There are Deseret News letter writers who are still writing about the 47 million workers or the 47 percent “...that do NOT pay ANY taxes...”.

----Stop the presses---Revelation #1 follows.

Medicare and social security ( FICA ) are taxes that are based on gross wages. These FICA taxes are 15.3 percent and the employee and the employer both pay half of the 15.3 percent.

End of Revelation #1.

“These monies” DO “help address national expenses...”.

Attention Mr. Gary Griffenhagen and the DN staff that pick letters containing fiction.

Bronx, NY

Does Gary actually believe he is making a new argument, one that has not already been debated to death ans who's logic has failed to sway the majority of Americans?

American Fork, UT

The thing is I don't believe there is anyone who works that does not pay tax at some level. Anyone who purchases goods or services, owns property, owns a vehicle, just about any action one can have is taxed somewhere. These 47 million, who are they? Deadbeats, or part time workers, underemployed but hoping to earn enough to pay taxes? We're becoming consumed worrying that somebody might be getting something we're not, with no consideration for what their real situation might be.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Oh dear more of the same garbage that 47 percent don't pay any taxes. A number debunked like 5 months ago. Listen, the election is over, mitt lost, now get over it.

Older, disabled, and poor cannot afford higher taxes. The rich can. It's that simple.


Our federal income tax was originally designed and implemented as a tax on the rich to supplement other taxes already being collected. The current structure reflects that original intent.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

47 million or so workers that do not pay any taxes is a lie.

The only people in America that don’t pay taxes are those who don’t purchase any consumer product or services from an American business. I think most of them are dead.

Every tax paid by every business, businessman or what ever, is included in the price of consumer products. In effect every tax is passed down to the final purchaser who has no one to pass it on to. So if you are buying and consuming, which all of us do, there is no one alive who doesn’t pay taxes, and that includes the income tax of millionaires.


Research studies show ( not just in our country) that tax policy plays a key role in income gap. Inequality has steadily increased in this country. Nearly all the gain in income over the past 30 yrs has gone disproportionately to the top 1%. In 1970 the top 1% had 9% of pre-tax income. Today, the top1% have 20% of pre-tax income. The U.S. economy is not going to flourish if the 99% have too little discretionary income, (although corporations can continue to profit due to new markets in the global economy). A surge in top incomes gives top earners more ability to influence the political and legislative process through think tanks, lobbying and campaign financing.

Sandy, UT

When I read letters like Gary's is it any wonder why we have a government that is in the worse gridlock of my lifetime. It is based on total ignorance and spawned from propaganda from heaven only knows. It is a total fabrication when demonizing the working class. It is not the working class that through the nation into the so called deficit crisis. It is political posturing and if it was anything else it would have been solved, Americans would be back to work, the 1% would be contributing as they were in days past, corporate subsidies would be eliminated, the military wouldn't be absorbing double the cash of everyother nation combined, healthcare costs would have been addressed, andd you wouldn't be blaming people that pay more proportionately than Mitt Romney, not to mention you would have turned off the comedian Beck.

one old man
Ogden, UT

I could go along with this. I'd be willing to pay some more in taxes.

But only as long as big corporations like GE (zero taxes) and wealthy people like Mitt (13%) are paying at least as much as this retired old man is paying (16.4%)

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

I thought the right had sworn an oath to not raise taxes? I also recall the right saying that we couldn't raise taxes during touh economic times.

Yet, their actions and letters like these show their enthusiasm for raising taxes and on destroying the middle class and poor.

No wonder why they're losing so much support politically.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

Sorry, but the 47% fiction is just that, a fiction. Those 47% pay plenty in taxes. Just not the federal income tax.
There are a variety of taxes in this country for people in different circumstances. Some people invest, and pay a capital gains tax. I don't invest at all, and so avoid that tax. Some people manage to avoid estate taxes. They avoid them by not dying. Federal income tax is primarily intended for high earners. Low earning Americans' primary taxes are payroll taxes.
May I suggest that anyone wanting to write about tax policy should, maybe, know something about it first?

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

But Eric, it is so much easier and better feeds our righteous indignation to base our opinions not on facts, but on prejudices we picked up from those whose politics we happen to agree with.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

I love it when the Republican letter writers chime in about the "evil" non-tax paying free loaders who are milking the system

Guess What ---

Almost the entire U.S. military service men and women are part of the lazy 47% you "patriots" keep slamming.

They also qualify for food stamps, WIC, and reduced lunches for their kids.

Your argument is therefore completely worthless to me, a Veteran.

Murray, UT

Income tax, as liberals here describe it, should be renamed a wealth tax. You are not interested in funding the necessary federal programs and shared sacrifice, you are only interested in jealously taking from the rich.

I understand that low income people find it difficult to pay income tax, but we have defined our society by income to the point that almost half the people view income tax not as something patriotic Americans sacrifice for the benefit of the country, but as something the rich owe for the benefit of the 'non-income tax paying' poor. For as long as 47% pay none of it, there will be a large percentage who will continue to spew rhetoric that is anti-American, and will continue to vote for freebies instead of freedom and national economic ruin instead of prosperity. They have become the Kamikazes attacking America.

A better way to solve this would be to enact pro-growth policies (opposite of Obamacare's 29hr standard workweek) getting as many as are able back to work fulltime (40hr workweek) patriotically paying income taxes, then take care of the unable to work, and cut off the parasitic unwilling to work.

Lew Scannon
Provo, UT


Then let's pay people enough so that they can afford to both pay income tax and purchase health insurance. Is that too much to ask of the wealthy class? We don't want to "steal" their money. We want them to stop stealing from their employees (since they are all job creators in the Republican universe). But no, Republicans can't even see a way to increase the minimum wage to $9, which is still not enough to accomplish the two basic goals I mentioned.

Sandy, UT

Mr. Deforrest,
"Greg, I'm sorry, but you miss the point. Those 47 million you refer to already pay a fair amount in taxes. "

That is true, but the piont is us those of the other 53 million not only pay the same taxes the 47 million, we also pay Federal income tax on top of it....

So people are two poor to pay taxes... hmm... are they too poor to have cell phones? nope, are they too poor to have Cable/Dish? nope, are they too poor to buy smokes and beer? Nope... Get what I am saying?

I think the truly poor should get a break, but I know people who make 40,000 a year that pays no taxes.. those people could offord 500.00

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