Published: Sunday, March 3 2013 12:00 a.m. MST
Obamcare is projected to cost taxpayers an additional $1.2 trillion each year.
Hardly prosperity, is it?
Getting sick in America all too often means going broke. We need a single payer
system that covers everyone. It's not free health care, but it is more
efficient than what we have now.
I would be very, very interesting to see what people like MM say if some day he
or a family member is struck by some horribly expensive illness and his
insurance company says, "Tough luck!"
The comments made below about getting sick and being "left in the dark"
has been all too true in this country! The ACA is an important step in the
right direction and we are already starting to see the benefits of it!An ACA Volunteer
The ACA may or may not yield prosperity. But doing the repub plan and kicking
the can down the road most certainly would not only yield prosperity but
continue to add to our disasterous tragedy known as our health care systemDoing something is a lot better than doing nothing.
Sorry Hutterite, I meant to direct my comment to "one old man"
Re: "Any short-term hardship that may come from the implementation of the
Affordable Care Act will certainly be offset . . . ."Just
another disingenuous "pie in the sky" liberal promise.But
real people don't need pie in the sky by and by. We need for the government
to get out of the way and let the economy recover NOW.
Typical. Those who oppose the ACA still aren't offering an alternate
This opinion is certainly better reasoned than the counter-argument by
Grace-Marie Turner, but the question they are debating is the wrong question. We
should not be worried about whether or not the ACA will spur economic growth.
Economic growth is not the only good in society. The question is, Will the ACA
provide health care to those who do not have it, and will it prevent people from
having to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills?
@ one old man. It has happened to my family and we did the best we could and my
family all gathered around like they used to before the government took over
health care. None of us ever asked our neighbors to pay for our healthcare! See
30 million more patients but no provisions for significantly increasing the
number of doctors. I worry that in the end the wait for health care will
cripple it. What good is being affordable if it's not available?
I am still trying to figure out how increasing taxes and a $20,000 insurance
plan will lead to more prosperity.Can one of you liberals explain
how this nation is to be more prosperous when everybody is paying more for
healthcare or else has higher deductibles that make anything beyond wellness
Obamacare is an aweful burden on all working citizens.. I don't know
who is supposed to get the benefits of this massive government takeover of our
healthcare system. For the short term and for the forseable future, we are
paying three times as much for less coverage. How could this possibly make
the costs of healthcare less?Are we going to kill off those with drug
addictions, the obese, the elderly, the mentally ill, those born with disease or
defects? What could possibly make the costs go down? When the working
people are forced to pay for the nonworking and even the non-citizens
healthcare, when those who sneak across our borders are given the same care as
those who pay taxes. We are doomed to never be able to pay in as much as
is bleeding out. The costs will continue to rise.
Time to be a bitter whiner is over.
@ one vote. The only people who are bitter are those of us who will actually
have to pay for Obamacare! The other 47% won't have to!
Mr. Forrest has stated the problem exactly..it's actually pretty dumb to
try and make the argument for the ACA in economic growth terms. MM..you gathered around before the government took over health care? The only
government take over of health care is Medicare. Is that what you mean? Nothing
else makes any sense. Country Mom..the only way ACA makes you pay
three times as much for insurance is if you didn't have insurance in the
first place or are an employer who employees 50 or more people and provided sub
par insurance, in which case you would have more coverage not less. To conflate
the general trend in rising health care costs with the ACA is simply dishonest.
@ Pragmat. Obamacare isn't the government take over of our healthcare?
To "Mountanman" I wouldn't call this an all out take over of
healthcare. This is a prime example of Liberal Fascism. Now, before the
liberals start their rants, you have to remember that Fascism is the governmnet
control of business. The government may not take over the health insurance
industry, but will effectively control it through regulation and mandates.
To all my conservative friends here, I understand your legitimate points about
the free market and how government intervention can often make things worse, but
in order for those points to hold for healthcare you need to explain how the
healthcare industry functions like the automobile or toaster industries - only
by demonstrating that can you make the case that an unregulated free market is
the best way to provide the maximum health benefits to a society. Also, ask yourselves why every other developed country in the world has
regulated their healthcare systems to some extent (some obviously more than
others)? Are they all just gleeful socialists? If so, you’ll have to make
that case for not just “shiny, happy people” countries like Sweden
and Denmark, but also for countries who are typically much more concerned with
things actually working well (e.g., Germany, Switzerland, Japan, etc…).
@RedShirt - your definition of fascism is incorrect. Fascism includes many
elements, one of which is an alliance between government and corporations to
protect corporate power and advance corporate interests while suppressing
organized labor and unions. The notion of liberal fascism is nonsense. Fascism
is an authoritarian movement of the right and has sought to limit and wipe out
liberal institutions and political parties.Regulated capitalism, of
which the Affordable Care Act is an example, has been part and parcel of Western
liberalism for over a century - and corresponded with massive improvements in
quality of life for millions of people all over the world. Regulated capitalism
evolved as liberal nations sought to limit the excesses of capitalism. The ACA
represents an attempt to maintain private and non-governmental control of health
insurance and health care while moving us closer to universal health care rather
than implementation of a single payer system (Canada) or government owned system
(the United Kingdom). There are many reasons to be critical of the
ACA in the real world. It seems unnecessary to invent reasons such your claim
of liberal fascism.
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