How convienent he happened to change his mind - during election season. If I
were an LGBT individual, I'd be pretty ticked that he used me as a pawn to
With football, this would be called a mis-direction play.
@Rocket Science -- "Why then is there a need to change a definition that has
existed for 1000's of years?"The definition of
"marriage" has already changed many times over those 1000's of
years. It has included polygyny, polyandry, and, yes, same-sex marriages over
that time. (For just one example, more than one Roman emperor married men, in
large public ceremonies.) There has never actually been one unchanging
definition for "marriage"."Why can't it be termed
as something different such as legal union?"Because our country
has recognized since the days of racial segregation that "separate" is
NOT "equal". If you call it something different, then it IS something
different.@I Bleed Blue -- "I hope we don't want to
'aspire' to near 30% unemployment; rioting in the streets and empty
shelves in the grocery stores."Oh, sorry! Folks always seem to
start talking about ancient Greece and ancient Rome when there's a
discussion of gay marriages. I didn't realize that you meant **present
day** Greece -- especially since Greece's current financial woes have
nothing whatsoever to do with gay marriages.
You have got to be kidding me. I hope we don't want to 'aspire'
to near 30% unemployment; rioting in the streets and empty shelves in the
grocery stores. That is present day Greece. Spain and Italy are not far
behind. I would think it would be a priority for anyone gay or straight to have
a good job in a stable economy.
All things can be made to allow legal and lawful recognition of same sex couples
to un-complicate issues such as described by Amazondoc. Why then is there a
need to change a definition that has existed for 1000's of years? Why
can't it be termed as something different such as legal union? If it could
be settled in that way most arguments would go away and there would not be such
an issue to further divide our country.
@I Bleed Blue --Human rights should **always** be a priority.And as for the Greeks -- their civilization survived for 1000 years.
That's something we should aspire to, not denigrate.
It's called 'priorities'. Getting a budget done and reducing the
deficit will help all of us. I for one do not want to go through the
'Greek' experience. That is what we are headed for if we don't
get a handle on our budget. As far as prop 8 goes, I hope people who love each
other gay or straight feel like they have equal rights. What gets me upset is
that our leaders are not taking care of the crisis and kicking it down the road.
That is something this president and congress love to do.
This IS a "real problem". Discrimination denies real people the right
to real financial and legal benefits, it costs real companies real money, and it
infringes on real civil rights.More than 100 prominent Republicans
have signed an amicus brief in FAVOR of gay marriages. It argues that same-sex
marriage promotes family values by allowing children of gay couples to grow up
in two-parent homes, and that it advances conservative values of "limited
government and maximizing individual freedom." Clint Eastwood, who has also
signed the brief, has stated, "Just give everybody the chance to have the
life they want." and "(It's) part of the libertarian idea: Leave
everybody alone". More than 200 companies, including some of the
largest in the country, have also filed an amicus brief in favor of gay
marriage. It states that DOMA "puts us, as employers, to unnecessary cost
and administrative complexity", "especially because contradictory laws
in different states complicate the administration of benefits for multi-state
companies". It also states that DOMA "forces us to treat one class of
our lawfully married employees differently than another" and argues that
discrimination undermines their business performance.Real people.
Real money. Real rights. Real problem.
@ Dan0The person who has really been stonewalling is Pres. Obama.
Before the fiscal cliff deal Pres. Obama said during the recent campaign that he
would accept a deal that would include a dollar in spending for three dollars in
cuts. John Boehner(spelling?) of the House obliged and proposed his plan B
which was 800 billion in spending for 1.6 trillion in cuts. Pres. Obama changed
his mind and would only accept a bill with out any cuts in spending. That was
the fiscal cliff deal. The White House continues to blame Republicans for the
Sequester. Legendary reporter Bob Woodward came out and said Obama came up with
the idea and he has evidence to prove it. Obama is a great public speaker but
when it comes to working with people who don't believe that America needs
his Socialistic agenda he will not. That is the reason we have what we have
I guess 5-10% of Americans just aren't important, eh Blue? What would you say if you were among that small percent?
For any thing to be sacred it has to have a purpose. Life and the continuance of
life is very sacred. So up until now the past has been determined, the future is
uncertain, the present is what you have. It's what you do now affects
God invented marriage between a man and a woman! We have no right or ability to
reinvent, alter or change it! To attempt to do so would put person(s) in
opposition with the will of God! Very dangerous ground to trod upon! Dangerous
for societies and individuals. Calling those who believe these truths homophobes
and "haters" does not change the eternal meaning and purposes of
God's laws. As Cecil B. Demille said, "We can't break God's
laws, we can only break ourselves against them."
Sorry that equality isn't important to you, Blue. But it does indeed affect
all of us. And the President hasn't left DC. In fact he's met with
both the leaders of the House and Senate today and the Republicans are
stonewalling. Also, if you want to save some money, the House Republicans have
spent millions defending DOMA. Seems you'd have more of a problem with that
than the Justice department submitting an amicus brief.
Anything to avoid working on the real problem we are facing. Instead of
worrying about maybe five to ten percent of the population, how about looking
after the 100% of us that want Washington to get the fiscal house in order. Get
back to Washington, get congress and the senate together and come up with a plan
that creates revenue as well as cuts spending. Then we can ALL be happy.