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Published: Saturday, March 2 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

There are lots of moderates out there...they are just all democrats, including President Obama.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Amen.

California's congressional and state legislative lines are now drawn by a 14-member independent commission, created by ballot initiative. Commissioners must have voted in at least two of the last three statewide elections, and may not have changed party affiliation for at least five years. Neither commissioners nor immediate family may have been a candidate for federal or state office or member of a party central committee; an officer, employee, or paid consultant to a federal or state candidate or party; a registered lobbyist or paid legislative staff; or a donor of more than $2,000 to an elected candidate. Furthermore, neither commissioners nor immediate family may be staff, consultants, or contractors for state or federal government while serving on the commission.
With an eye to analytical skills, impartiality, and diversity, a panel of three state auditors choose 20 Democrats, 20 Republicans, and 20 who are neither to be nominees for the commission; the four legislative leaders may each cut two people from each pool. Eight commissioners (3 Democrats, 3 Republicans, 2 neither) are chosen randomly from the remaining nominees; those eight choose six colleagues (2 Democrats, 2 Republicans, 2 neither), to reflect the diversity of the state. The final commission thus has 14 members (5 Democrats, 5 Republicans, 4 neither).

one old man
Ogden, UT

Excellent letter.

Amen.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

This letter is absolutely correct. This Country is under direct attack from left wing extremists. Unfortunately, the response of some is to engage in equally extreme behavior on the right.

Extremism is not the answer. We must have moderation, prudence, respect, and tolerance. Pointless bickering and arguing will accomplish nothing.

We must return to being a nation of brotherhood and loyalty. We cannot weaken ourselves from within, while so many outsiders are waiting to tear us down.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Amen.

California's congressional and state legislative lines are now drawn by a 14-member independent commission, created by ballot initiative. Commissioners must have voted in at least two of the last three statewide elections, and may not have changed party affiliation for at least five years. Neither commissioners nor immediate family may have been a candidate for federal or state office or member of a party central committee; an officer, employee, or paid consultant to a federal or state candidate or party; a registered lobbyist or paid legislative staff; or a donor of more than $2,000 to an elected candidate. Furthermore, neither commissioners nor immediate family may be staff, consultants, or contractors for state or federal government while serving on the commission.
With an eye to analytical skills, impartiality, and diversity, a panel of three state auditors choose 20 Democrats, 20 Republicans, and 20 who are neither to be nominees for the commission; the four legislative leaders may each cut two people from each pool. Eight commissioners (3 Democrats, 3 Republicans, 2 neither) are chosen randomly from the remaining nominees; those eight choose six colleagues (2 Democrats, 2 Republicans, 2 neither), to reflect the diversity of the state. The final commission thus has 14 members (5 Democrats, 5 Republicans, 4 neither).

Tulip
West Jordan, UT

We need a conservative coalition. Period.

one old man
Ogden, UT

An EXCELLENT letter, Mr. Hunt.

Thank you for some much needed fresh air and good thinking.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

I think true moderates are a small part of the population and that is why they only have a small voice. That and we have too many democrat politicians who pretend to be moderates, who are anything but moderate. The are more like infiltrators trying to grab some votes from people on the other side (John Kerry). The right is tired of these very liberal people claiming they are the middle ground between conservative and liberal just because they can name one person more liberal than themselves. Most of these so called moderates are as far left as I am far right. But at least I am honest about who I am and what I believe.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

The cry from the Left seems to be "come join with us as we trample the Constitution". Some people don't believe in law and order. They think that they are the law. They think that they have the right to implement laws that are contrary to the Supreme Law of the Land.

In America, the people hold all power. The government does not "give" any rights to anyone. The people are the repository of all rights.

There can be no "moderate" position when the highest level of government attacks its own people by restricting them in ways that are explicitly forbidden by the Supreme Law of the Land.

Talking things to death does not make permissible attacks on religion, attacks on free speech and attacks on the our right to keep and bear arms. ALL rights are held by the people except those few rights that we have explicitly assigned to government. Obama seems to think that he can demagogue us into submission.

When "moderates" stop talking law breaking and start talking about solving problems that have been assigned to the government, then people of all parties can sit at the same table and talk.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Amen and amen

one old man
Ogden, UT

The cry from the Right seems to be "come join with us as we trample the Constitution". We saw that in very stark outlines within the tortured eight years of the administration of President Cheney and his little friend. I forget which of them came right out and said it.

"The Constitution is just a piece of paper." Was that Dick or was that George as they sought to demagogue us into submission?

Thankfully, we are rid of them and we dodged a bullet with Mitt.

If only we could bring some common sense into Congress now -- on both sides.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"When "moderates" stop talking law breaking and start talking about solving problems that have been assigned to the government, then people of all parties can sit at the same table and talk."

Mr. Richards, thank you for keeping to your usual form, assuming you and you alone are the arbiter and final say on the intent of the constitution of these United States of America.

It amazes me that there are those who clearly believe that the rule of law is something only recognized and adhered to by one side of the political spectrum. Only one view is lawful... everything other then their own orthodoxy is without morals and merit..

HaHaHaHa
Othello, WA

"There are lots of moderates out there...they are just all democrats, including President Obama."

What a genius! So are Castro, Ahmadinejad and Chavez, 3 world leaders who most dems idolize!

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

There can never be coherent discussions with people who resort to attacks rather than discussing the issues. The issue that must be settled first is what authority the government has before discussing how the government is going to use that authority to do its assigned job. Discussing programs that are not authorized serves no purpose. You wouldn't waste time discussing whether a thief had used the money he stole from you for a good purpose. You would discuss how to keep that thief's fingers out of your wallet.

Liberals love to talk about grand programs that "help" Americans. Their grand schemes don't work. FDR made promises that have not been kept - in 80 years. LBJ told us about the great society. That didn't work. Social workers have demanded and gotten trillions to "help" unwed mothers. The result is millions more unwed mothers.

Fix Washington before you waste your breath trying to sell us another boondoggle. Obama is selling the same soap that FDR tried to sell us. It didn't work then and it won't work now.

Agree on the rules before discussing issues.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:MikeRichards
In the decade following the 1964 introduction of the war on poverty, poverty rates in the U.S. dropped to their lowest level since comprehensive records began in 1958: from 17.3% in the year the Economic Opportunity Act was implemented to 11.1% in 1973. They have remained between 11 and 15.2% ever since.

Poverty has significantly fallen among Americans under 18 years old from 23% in 1964 down to less than 17%, although it has risen again to 20% in 2009. The most dramatic decrease in poverty was among Americans over 65, which fell from 28.5% in 1966 to 10.1% today.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"Liberals love to talk about grand programs that "help" Americans. Their grand schemes don't work. FDR made promises that have not been kept - in 80 years. LBJ told us about the great society. That didn't work. Social workers have demanded and gotten trillions to "help" unwed mothers. The result is millions more unwed mothers."

Well, by that logic, lets get rid of prisons. Hundreds of prisons have been build, millions have been held in them, and what is the result, millions more crimes keep happening. Using Mr. Richards logic, Prisons don't work because we still have people committing crime.

"Agree on the rules before discussing issues."

Problem is Mr. Richards, the vast majority of this country has agreed upon the rules. They might not like the decisions of the Supreme Court in all cases, but the constitution of the US has given that body the right to determine the constitutionality of law - not you, or your buddies. If you are waiting for the nation to bend to your personal interpretation of constitutional law before having a discussion, that discussion will not happen.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

John Charity Spring calling for "moderation, prudence, respect, and tolerance. "

Huh?

Serious question

Do you feel that you are a moderate? Tolerant?

the truth
Holladay, UT

Moderates are just gutless wonders who are never willing to take a stand,

They never stand for anything.

From the Book of Revelations 3;26:

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Not even God likes fence sitters.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"Moderates are just gutless wonders who are never willing to take a stand,"

truth... no... moderates are those who choose to think for themselves.... who take the time to look at things issue by issue, and judge each based on their merits.

I am willing to take my chances with Gods judgement - your judgement really concerns me not.

And Truth - do you really believe that using scripture, which is clearly not talking about politics, to twist those words into a meaning that clearly they were not intended, that you are acting in a way consistent with your self proclaim mantle?

Oh... and BTW - Revelations Chapter 3 only goes to verse 22... it is actually verse 16 you are referring to, and it is talking about works. 15 reads,

" I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot"

He is talking about works as evidence of your faith - not which political party you agree or disagree with. Twisting sacred words into gutter level political snipping.... not something I would feel really good about..

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

OK truth,

What would you call me.

I think we spend too much. That Entitlements need to be cut.
The military is too big and costs too much. I believe that the upward movement of the wealth
in this country is damaging.

I believe that we need to give business the freedom to make their own choices in the name of profit. But not complete freedom, as we see often some bad deeds that they do.

I am not gay, but don't see it as a threat to my marriage.
I fully support peoples right to own guns, but not every gun, everywhere.

I thing GW Bush was a decent man. I believe Obama is also.

Believe me, I can take a stand. It is just at odds with the Democratic party at times.
And it is at odds with the Republican party at times.

I have a feeling that you will agree with me on some things and not others.

I think I am a moderate. What do you think?

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