Mr. Swallow has a great defense against the corruption charges veing thrown at
him. Just as Dan White used the 'tinkie defense' when accussed of
killing San Francisco mayor George Moscone. Mr. Swallow will use the
'Krispy Kreme' defense when accused of lawbreaking after meeting with
". . . we are more focused on what divides us than what really unites
us."You're talking about conservatives, of course.
Once again someone is focused on the reaction instead of the action. Sorry,
John Swallow brought this on himself.
I love a conspiracy as much as the next guy, How about this? Mr Huck they are
coming to take your atvs!
When every elected official in Utah are Republican, then all the political
stories will be written about Republicans. You can't have all
the offices and none of the scrutiny.
When all else fails, blame the evil "liberal" media. The
right's wild get out of jail card.
To "Open Minded Mormon" nice rant, but it doesn't answer the
question.Why do you think that only 6% of the public trusts the news
media? (FYI their trust has been dropping year after year)If you
want to discuss the DN vs. other news outlets, explain why the DN and its
conservative slant is growing while the NY Times and other liberal newspapers
are declining in size.To "JoeBlow" you realize that even
throughout the Bush administration the media was seen as more trustworthy than
it currently is (Gallup polls show this). Why should we accept what the media
says to us when their untrustworthiness is at record highs?
More spin Redshirt? Let me help you with the real Rassmussen poll story.This taken Directly from the Rasmussen report"Fifty-six
percent (56%) of all voters regard the news reported by the media as at least
somewhat trustworthy, but that includes just six percent who think it is Very
Trustworthy."And from that you come away with "only 6% of
Americans trust the MSM"Do you intentionally mislead or is your
reading comprehension weak?Is Fox News part of the MSM? Could Fox
news be included in those numbers?
It is a non story that the chief investigating official is under investigation.
He is a Republican so its all good.
"...the minimization of the Obama administration's negligence and
cover-up of the murder of four Americans, including Ambassador Stevens, in
Benghazi...".The right-wing minimization of the bush
administration's negligence and cover-up of the murder of three thousand
Amercians on 9/11 was somehow missing in Mr. Huck's letter.However...News bias?Who knows?Depends upon
your bias...However, I think Rainer Huck is the best name of a
letter writer to the DN I have seen in a long time.Please keep the
letters coming.Thank you.
RedShirtUSS Enterprise, UTTo "Open Minded Mormon" did you
see the latest Rassmussen poll. Only 6% of american trust the MSM. Why do you
think that is. =========== Fine, if you must....But, This entire TOPIC is inresponse to the reporting of Utah AG
John Swallow.This is not "liberal" MSM, It is not in
some "Liberal" east coast newspaper, it is not in some
"Liberal" west coast newspaper, it's not even in the
"Liberal" nation newspapers.This is local story, and is only
being covered by the local news "media".Therefore -- this whole
TOPIC is about the so-called evil "Liberal" media that is everywhere
right here in good old Salt Lake City - UTAH, including this so-implied
"Liberal" Deseret News media.12:13 p.m. Feb. 28, 2013
@JoeCapitalist"The vast majority of people in the news business
(journalists, editors, publishers, etc.) self identify themselves as liberal,
vote Democratic,"...=========== Fine, if you
must....But, This entore TOPIC is inresponse to the reporting
of Utah AG John Swallow.It is not in some "Liberal" east
coast newspaper, it is not in some "Liberal" west coast newspaper,
it's not even in the "Liberal" nation newspapers.This is local story, and is only being covered by the local news
"media".Therefore -- this whole TOPIC is about the so-called evil
"Liberal" media that is everywhere right here in good old Salt Lake City
- UTAH, including this so-implied "Liberal" Deseret News media.
To "Open Minded Mormon" did you see the latest Rassmussen poll. Only 6%
of american trust the MSM. Why do you think that is. They keep moving more and
more to the left, and I thought that you would believe in behing honest.To "Ultra Bob" you are wrong. According to latest polling more
americans consider themselves conservative than consider themselves liberal.
About 40% consider themselves conservative, 35% moderate, and 20% liberal.If "John Swallow's punishment for breaking the rules of
government conduct may include being forced to quit his job." why does that
not apply to Eric Holder or even Obama? Eric Holder broke rules, and so has
Obama, why do you only seek to destroy a Republican's career?
Joe,Could it be that those who gravitate to journalism tend to be
more liberal?Same with artists.I will agree that there
is generally aa slant left in the media. But I believe that it is overplayed at
times.If one has ever listened to NPR, it is hard to say that they
are a liberal organizations, unless, as I said, Liberal is defined as anyone
left of far right.Are there ANY media that is fair and balanced? It
is obviously a subjective point of view.I will say this. Liberal
media may outnumber conservative media, but Fox news is as far from center as
any left leaning media and certainly farther than most.
Ia it bias for a news publication, let's say the Deseret News, to not print
one word, not one word on a story, that was run in many national and local
papers let's say like the one about republican politicians coming out in
support of same sex marriage? Is it?
The problem for republicans with media, government and Democrats is that they
refuse to admit that America and the American people are LIBERAL. And despite
their massive financial efforts to the contrary, some liberalism leaks through
to the media, governments and other public entities. Lance
Armstrong broke the rules of his occupation, bicycle racing, and is receiving
massive condemnation and punishment. John Swallow's punishment
for breaking the rules of government conduct may include being forced to quit
his job. The “everybody does it” defense is only
allowed for politicians?
@JoeCapitalist"The vast majority of people in the news business
(journalists, editors, publishers, etc.) self identify themselves as liberal,
vote Democratic,"...=============The question is
why? I am sure that if you were to conduct the same poll, let's say among
Evangelical Pastors, overwhelmingly they would self identify as
"Conservative", and "Vote Republican".Certain
personalities tend to be attracted to certain professions. A lot of journalists
advocate some sort of change, by definition, a liberal trait. A lot of
journalists also have college degrees, and studies show that areas with more
college education per capita tend to vote Democratic. This is shown by voting
trends in the last Presidential election.To say their coverage
isn't somewhat biased based on their views would be wrong. I believe most
try to be as fair and neutral as possible (with the obvious exception of OpEd
writers, or others who make their preference widely known).Lastly I
would submit, reader/view base. I understand Fox is a mega-giant, but the
Invisible Hand of the Free Market, and the Law of Supply and Demand would tell
me that if there was a strong appetite for "Conservative Media" it would
Look who's calling the most conservative newspaper, in the most
conservative State, in the most conservative Country on the planet...the
"liberal" media?...who's being extreme here, I might
Ouch, you told us.
JoeBlow: "Can I ask? Which "press" is not "overwhelmingly
liberal" ?"Naturally, there are individuals, news
organizations, and forms of media that are not liberal. There are also a fair
number of "far-right" organizations out there.But in poll
after poll the results are always the same. The vast majority of people in the
news business (journalists, editors, publishers, etc.) self identify themselves
as liberal, vote Democratic, and financially support liberal causes. In many
polls, the ratio was more than 4 to 1 (liberals to conservatives).The slant left in that industry is almost as bad as it is in Hollywood (and
that is saying a lot).
I'm most likely more conservative than Huck and I think Swallow needs to
go. Media bias or not.
Re:JoeCapitalist"Liberals" in the media are far more
critical of liberals than conservatives are of their own. How many conservative
media types have lost their jobs? Conservative guests on programs often exceed
liberal guests. Furthermore:What is the No. 1 newspaper in
America by circulation? Why, that would be The Wall Street Journal, a bastion of
conservative values on its editorial pages.What about radio?
Conservative proframs dominate. In cable television, Fox News continues to top
Utah is 80% Republican.This is a LOCAL story.Only the LOCAL media is
reporting it.Deseret News - Liberal madia?KSL - Liberal
media?Holy Cow!Another conspiracy theory -- and only the
Blaze and FauxNews can be trusted.
@procuradorfiscal "Re: ' . . we are more focused on what
divides us than what really unites us.""You're talking
about liberals, of course."your comments aren't divisive at
Re: ". . . we are more focused on what divides us than what really unites
us."You're talking about liberals, of course.Liberals have a long, LONG history of not being able to take "yes" for
an answer. They loudly demand "compromise," then, when given, it's
never enough, and their "compromise" partners become the objects of
disingenuous liberal criticism, even derision, for whatever "crisis"
they dream up as resulting from the compromise they demanded. When things go
wrong, liberals revert quickly to the blame game, asserting that only their
compromise "partners" are to blame, accepting none, themselves.North Carolina liberals recently publicly admitted the true aim of all
liberals -- eviscerate any opposition, control every decision, win by increasing
individual dependency on politics, and dodge blame for any mistake.It's all kinda juvenile, of course, but it's been the left's
primary strategy since they abandoned all pretense of fealty to the truth, back
in the '30s.The primary issue now dividing us and preventing
unity is well-placed mistrust of disingenuous liberals.
Um, I'm speechless.
Joe, I dont consider myself a liberal, but many paint me that way
because I dont lean far right.That said, I agree with you that we
should have NO double standards when it comes to our politicians.Right or Left, Republican or Democrat, Go after them with the same zeal when
the do wrong.And keep the same standard for either side.I
consider myself an independent (fiscal conservative and social moderate) and
have no problem going after either side.Can I ask? Which
"press" is not "overwhelmingly liberal" ?
it must be hard being the constant victim of the media and all us nasty liberals
trying to take everything when your just such good honest upstanding people.
I used to love conspiracy theories when I was a teenager.
Political corruption is a serious offense and should be investigated and exposed
whether it is practiced by a Democrat or a Republican, conservative or
liberal.Unfortunately, there is a huge double standard by a ton of
political hacks out there. I see it every day on these forumns. Nowhere is it
more obvious than in the press which is overwhelmingly liberal."Your guy did something wrong - lets all shout it from the rooftops, our
guy did something wrong - nothing to see here" is written into every story
(or implied when a story is ignored).I am conservative and it pains
me when a prominent Republican does something wrong, but if he/she lies, cheats
on their taxes, sleeps with a teenager, or gets caught with a DUI then hang them
out to dry, conservative or not!I almost never hear such things from
liberals about bad Democrats. Instead it is "circle the wagons", endless
excuses, and blame the GOP somehow for the bad behaviour.
So the letter writer wants to turn this into an us vs them issue?That's what wrong here, we are more focused on what divides us than what
really unites us.Most every American wants the same things: They want to be able to make enough to survive and provide for their familyThey want to live their life as they see fit.Where we disagree is
how to best accomplish those, it's really a matter of degrees and not
diametrically opposed views.Now for the letter:Mr. Swallow
really doesn't have much to defend, nor produced a defense. The whole
defense is "let the investigation finish" that really amounts to one
article. However, the media is constantly finding out more about what allegedly
happened, and each one of those turns into a news article.Republican, or Democrat, Attorney General needs to have the utmost ethical
integrity. Asking someone that they are positive there is no paper trail of
something is the opposite of ethics (my ethical guideline generally has been,
how would I feel if this made the front page of the paper). Turning it into an
R vs D only makes the matter worse.
I'm tired of the coverage of this in the liberal DN.
Every time we get into this same trope about liberal and conservative media, I
wonder if the writers are aware that those conversations are being made quaint
by the blogosphere? Rubio's thirst was tweeted to the world before the
first newscast mentioned it. Rubio himself tweeted it in a photo. I fear once
again that those of us past a "certain" age are showing a lack of
awareness of what constitutes "media" these days. The "media"
now reports on the blogosphere as if it is news.
I wonder why the liberal medial all but ignored all the embassy attacks that
resulted in dead Americans when Bush was president.
Hear that, DesNews? You hear that, all you Utah Republicans who think
Swallow's corruption is an embarrassment to the state?You're all just a bunch of gol'durned biased libruls!"Swallow's activities are very mild in the spectrum of daily
behind-the-scenes political dealings."Um, no, they're
actually pretty scandalous. Swallow has demonstrated that he sees no problem
with selling the power of public office and public trust for personal gain.Instead of railing against "liberals" maybe you could try
recalibrating your ethical compass.But thanks for the laugh, anyway.
Yeah, the local media in Utah is sooooooo liberal...
Quite the rant.Lets go one by one.First, can you outline
who is (or who is not) the Liberal media? That would give us a starting
point.As far as the "The massive news coverage of John
Swallow's alleged improprieties" do you mean in Utah? I have seen
zero national news coverage. It is certainly covered in the DN. Do you think
the DN is liberal?Ah, Benghazi. Do me a favor. Use your
imagination and lay out what the big scandal is. I can concur that
mistakes were made and things could have been done differently, but I am unclear
on what the big "smoking gun" is here. Serious question. Lay out the
scandal for me.Next"Obama's "corpse"
men speech vs Marco Rubio's drink of water.That's your
evidence of "liberal media"? Maybe Rubio's quick drink just made
for better TV. Regardless, both made me laugh and didn't change my opinion
of either men. Both decent guys.Lastly, How did you know that the
New York Times gave "39 days of front page coverage to the Abu Ghraib
prisoner humiliation "Did you count, or did you rely on a biased
There may actually be some merit to the claims made in this letter. A quick
Google search only produced 2400+ responses for the egregious error of the
president mispronouncing a word. But the relatively mild case of an assistant
attorney general being accused of illegally helping someone buy political
influence and taking a healthy fee for doing so in the process produced over 8
million responses. I mean, as the author points out, Mr. Swallow’s
alleged infractions of the law is something that’s done every day by
politicians everywhere. Surely we can forgive him. But now
mispronouncing a word – three times no less – is just unforgiveable.
Off with his head! In case you’re wondering, this is meant as
sarcasm.And for the record, there over 38 million responses to the
Benghazi attack and the president’s accountability, which seems hardly
like a “minimization” of the issue. In the 8 years prior to the
current administration over 60 Americans died in 16 separate attacks at
embassies around the world. I wonder if Mr. Huck complained about the coverage
of those, or even knew about them.