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  • ray vaughn Ogden, UT
    March 1, 2013 4:15 p.m.

    Mr. Swallow has a great defense against the corruption charges veing thrown at him. Just as Dan White used the 'tinkie defense' when accussed of killing San Francisco mayor George Moscone. Mr. Swallow will use the 'Krispy Kreme' defense when accused of lawbreaking after meeting with Jeremy Johnson.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 4:40 p.m.

    ". . . we are more focused on what divides us than what really unites us."

    You're talking about conservatives, of course.

  • ProSteve Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    Once again someone is focused on the reaction instead of the action. Sorry, John Swallow brought this on himself.

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Feb. 28, 2013 3:56 p.m.

    I love a conspiracy as much as the next guy, How about this? Mr Huck they are coming to take your atvs!

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    When every elected official in Utah are Republican, then all the political stories will be written about Republicans.

    You can't have all the offices and none of the scrutiny.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    When all else fails, blame the evil "liberal" media.

    The right's wild get out of jail card.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    To "Open Minded Mormon" nice rant, but it doesn't answer the question.

    Why do you think that only 6% of the public trusts the news media? (FYI their trust has been dropping year after year)

    If you want to discuss the DN vs. other news outlets, explain why the DN and its conservative slant is growing while the NY Times and other liberal newspapers are declining in size.

    To "JoeBlow" you realize that even throughout the Bush administration the media was seen as more trustworthy than it currently is (Gallup polls show this). Why should we accept what the media says to us when their untrustworthiness is at record highs?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 28, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    More spin Redshirt? Let me help you with the real Rassmussen poll story.

    This taken Directly from the Rasmussen report

    "Fifty-six percent (56%) of all voters regard the news reported by the media as at least somewhat trustworthy, but that includes just six percent who think it is Very Trustworthy."

    And from that you come away with "only 6% of Americans trust the MSM"

    Do you intentionally mislead or is your reading comprehension weak?

    Is Fox News part of the MSM? Could Fox news be included in those numbers?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    It is a non story that the chief investigating official is under investigation. He is a Republican so its all good.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    "...the minimization of the Obama administration's negligence and cover-up of the murder of four Americans, including Ambassador Stevens, in Benghazi...".

    The right-wing minimization of the bush administration's negligence and cover-up of the murder of three thousand Amercians on 9/11 was somehow missing in Mr. Huck's letter.

    However...

    News bias?

    Who knows?

    Depends upon your bias...

    However, I think Rainer Huck is the best name of a letter writer to the DN I have seen in a long time.

    Please keep the letters coming.

    Thank you.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Feb. 28, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    RedShirt
    USS Enterprise, UT
    To "Open Minded Mormon" did you see the latest Rassmussen poll. Only 6% of american trust the MSM. Why do you think that is.

    ===========

    Fine, if you must....
    But,

    This entire TOPIC is inresponse to the reporting of Utah AG John Swallow.

    This is not "liberal" MSM,
    It is not in some "Liberal" east coast newspaper,
    it is not in some "Liberal" west coast newspaper,
    it's not even in the "Liberal" nation newspapers.

    This is local story, and is only being covered by the local news "media".
    Therefore -- this whole TOPIC is about the so-called evil "Liberal" media that is everywhere right here in good old Salt Lake City - UTAH, including this so-implied "Liberal" Deseret News media.

    12:13 p.m. Feb. 28, 2013

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Feb. 28, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    @JoeCapitalist

    "The vast majority of people in the news business (journalists, editors, publishers, etc.) self identify themselves as liberal, vote Democratic,"...

    ===========

    Fine, if you must....
    But,

    This entore TOPIC is inresponse to the reporting of Utah AG John Swallow.

    It is not in some "Liberal" east coast newspaper,
    it is not in some "Liberal" west coast newspaper,
    it's not even in the "Liberal" nation newspapers.

    This is local story, and is only being covered by the local news "media".
    Therefore -- this whole TOPIC is about the so-called evil "Liberal" media that is everywhere right here in good old Salt Lake City - UTAH, including this so-implied "Liberal" Deseret News media.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    To "Open Minded Mormon" did you see the latest Rassmussen poll. Only 6% of american trust the MSM. Why do you think that is. They keep moving more and more to the left, and I thought that you would believe in behing honest.

    To "Ultra Bob" you are wrong. According to latest polling more americans consider themselves conservative than consider themselves liberal. About 40% consider themselves conservative, 35% moderate, and 20% liberal.

    If "John Swallow's punishment for breaking the rules of government conduct may include being forced to quit his job." why does that not apply to Eric Holder or even Obama? Eric Holder broke rules, and so has Obama, why do you only seek to destroy a Republican's career?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 28, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    Joe,

    Could it be that those who gravitate to journalism tend to be more liberal?

    Same with artists.

    I will agree that there is generally aa slant left in the media. But I believe that it is overplayed at times.

    If one has ever listened to NPR, it is hard to say that they are a liberal organizations, unless, as I said, Liberal is defined as anyone left of far right.

    Are there ANY media that is fair and balanced? It is obviously a subjective point of view.

    I will say this. Liberal media may outnumber conservative media, but Fox news is as far from center as any left leaning media and certainly farther than most.

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    Feb. 28, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    Ia it bias for a news publication, let's say the Deseret News, to not print one word, not one word on a story, that was run in many national and local papers let's say like the one about republican politicians coming out in support of same sex marriage? Is it?

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    The problem for republicans with media, government and Democrats is that they refuse to admit that America and the American people are LIBERAL. And despite their massive financial efforts to the contrary, some liberalism leaks through to the media, governments and other public entities.

    Lance Armstrong broke the rules of his occupation, bicycle racing, and is receiving massive condemnation and punishment.

    John Swallow's punishment for breaking the rules of government conduct may include being forced to quit his job.

    The “everybody does it” defense is only allowed for politicians?

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    @JoeCapitalist

    "The vast majority of people in the news business (journalists, editors, publishers, etc.) self identify themselves as liberal, vote Democratic,"...

    =============

    The question is why? I am sure that if you were to conduct the same poll, let's say among Evangelical Pastors, overwhelmingly they would self identify as "Conservative", and "Vote Republican".

    Certain personalities tend to be attracted to certain professions. A lot of journalists advocate some sort of change, by definition, a liberal trait. A lot of journalists also have college degrees, and studies show that areas with more college education per capita tend to vote Democratic. This is shown by voting trends in the last Presidential election.

    To say their coverage isn't somewhat biased based on their views would be wrong. I believe most try to be as fair and neutral as possible (with the obvious exception of OpEd writers, or others who make their preference widely known).

    Lastly I would submit, reader/view base. I understand Fox is a mega-giant, but the Invisible Hand of the Free Market, and the Law of Supply and Demand would tell me that if there was a strong appetite for "Conservative Media" it would be there.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Feb. 28, 2013 11:17 a.m.

    Look who's calling the most conservative newspaper,
    in the most conservative State,
    in the most conservative Country on the planet...the "liberal" media?

    ...who's being extreme here, I might ask?

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    Ouch, you told us.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 11:08 a.m.

    JoeBlow: "Can I ask? Which "press" is not "overwhelmingly liberal" ?"

    Naturally, there are individuals, news organizations, and forms of media that are not liberal. There are also a fair number of "far-right" organizations out there.

    But in poll after poll the results are always the same. The vast majority of people in the news business (journalists, editors, publishers, etc.) self identify themselves as liberal, vote Democratic, and financially support liberal causes. In many polls, the ratio was more than 4 to 1 (liberals to conservatives).

    The slant left in that industry is almost as bad as it is in Hollywood (and that is saying a lot).

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    I'm most likely more conservative than Huck and I think Swallow needs to go. Media bias or not.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Feb. 28, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    Re:JoeCapitalist

    "Liberals" in the media are far more critical of liberals than conservatives are of their own. How many conservative media types have lost their jobs? Conservative guests on programs often exceed liberal guests.

    Furthermore:
    What is the No. 1 newspaper in America by circulation? Why, that would be The Wall Street Journal, a bastion of conservative values on its editorial pages.

    What about radio? Conservative proframs dominate. In cable television, Fox News continues to top the competition.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Feb. 28, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    Utah is 80% Republican.
    This is a LOCAL story.
    Only the LOCAL media is reporting it.

    Deseret News - Liberal madia?
    KSL - Liberal media?

    Holy Cow!

    Another conspiracy theory -- and only the Blaze and FauxNews can be trusted.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    @procuradorfiscal

    "Re: ' . . we are more focused on what divides us than what really unites us."

    "You're talking about liberals, of course."

    your comments aren't divisive at all, right?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 10:24 a.m.

    Re: ". . . we are more focused on what divides us than what really unites us."

    You're talking about liberals, of course.

    Liberals have a long, LONG history of not being able to take "yes" for an answer. They loudly demand "compromise," then, when given, it's never enough, and their "compromise" partners become the objects of disingenuous liberal criticism, even derision, for whatever "crisis" they dream up as resulting from the compromise they demanded. When things go wrong, liberals revert quickly to the blame game, asserting that only their compromise "partners" are to blame, accepting none, themselves.

    North Carolina liberals recently publicly admitted the true aim of all liberals -- eviscerate any opposition, control every decision, win by increasing individual dependency on politics, and dodge blame for any mistake.

    It's all kinda juvenile, of course, but it's been the left's primary strategy since they abandoned all pretense of fealty to the truth, back in the '30s.

    The primary issue now dividing us and preventing unity is well-placed mistrust of disingenuous liberals.

  • Lew Scannon Provo, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    Um, I'm speechless.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 28, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    Joe,

    I dont consider myself a liberal, but many paint me that way because I dont lean far right.

    That said, I agree with you that we should have NO double standards when it comes to our politicians.

    Right or Left, Republican or Democrat, Go after them with the same zeal when the do wrong.
    And keep the same standard for either side.

    I consider myself an independent (fiscal conservative and social moderate) and have no problem going after either side.

    Can I ask? Which "press" is not "overwhelmingly liberal" ?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    it must be hard being the constant victim of the media and all us nasty liberals trying to take everything when your just such good honest upstanding people.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Feb. 28, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    I used to love conspiracy theories when I was a teenager.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    Political corruption is a serious offense and should be investigated and exposed whether it is practiced by a Democrat or a Republican, conservative or liberal.

    Unfortunately, there is a huge double standard by a ton of political hacks out there. I see it every day on these forumns. Nowhere is it more obvious than in the press which is overwhelmingly liberal.

    "Your guy did something wrong - lets all shout it from the rooftops, our guy did something wrong - nothing to see here" is written into every story (or implied when a story is ignored).

    I am conservative and it pains me when a prominent Republican does something wrong, but if he/she lies, cheats on their taxes, sleeps with a teenager, or gets caught with a DUI then hang them out to dry, conservative or not!

    I almost never hear such things from liberals about bad Democrats. Instead it is "circle the wagons", endless excuses, and blame the GOP somehow for the bad behaviour.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    So the letter writer wants to turn this into an us vs them issue?

    That's what wrong here, we are more focused on what divides us than what really unites us.

    Most every American wants the same things:
    They want to be able to make enough to survive and provide for their family
    They want to live their life as they see fit.

    Where we disagree is how to best accomplish those, it's really a matter of degrees and not diametrically opposed views.

    Now for the letter:
    Mr. Swallow really doesn't have much to defend, nor produced a defense. The whole defense is "let the investigation finish" that really amounts to one article. However, the media is constantly finding out more about what allegedly happened, and each one of those turns into a news article.

    Republican, or Democrat, Attorney General needs to have the utmost ethical integrity. Asking someone that they are positive there is no paper trail of something is the opposite of ethics (my ethical guideline generally has been, how would I feel if this made the front page of the paper). Turning it into an R vs D only makes the matter worse.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 8:53 a.m.

    I'm tired of the coverage of this in the liberal DN.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 8:10 a.m.

    Every time we get into this same trope about liberal and conservative media, I wonder if the writers are aware that those conversations are being made quaint by the blogosphere? Rubio's thirst was tweeted to the world before the first newscast mentioned it. Rubio himself tweeted it in a photo. I fear once again that those of us past a "certain" age are showing a lack of awareness of what constitutes "media" these days. The "media" now reports on the blogosphere as if it is news.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    I wonder why the liberal medial all but ignored all the embassy attacks that resulted in dead Americans when Bush was president.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 7:20 a.m.

    Hear that, DesNews? You hear that, all you Utah Republicans who think Swallow's corruption is an embarrassment to the state?

    You're all just a bunch of gol'durned biased libruls!

    "Swallow's activities are very mild in the spectrum of daily behind-the-scenes political dealings."

    Um, no, they're actually pretty scandalous. Swallow has demonstrated that he sees no problem with selling the power of public office and public trust for personal gain.

    Instead of railing against "liberals" maybe you could try recalibrating your ethical compass.

    But thanks for the laugh, anyway.

  • isrred South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 7:06 a.m.

    Yeah, the local media in Utah is sooooooo liberal...

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 28, 2013 6:59 a.m.

    Quite the rant.

    Lets go one by one.

    First, can you outline who is (or who is not) the Liberal media? That would give us a starting point.

    As far as the "The massive news coverage of John Swallow's alleged improprieties" do you mean in Utah? I have seen zero national news coverage. It is certainly covered in the DN. Do you think the DN is liberal?

    Ah, Benghazi. Do me a favor. Use your imagination and lay out what the big scandal is.
    I can concur that mistakes were made and things could have been done differently, but I am unclear on what the big "smoking gun" is here. Serious question. Lay out the scandal for me.

    Next

    "Obama's "corpse" men speech vs Marco Rubio's drink of water.

    That's your evidence of "liberal media"? Maybe Rubio's quick drink just made for better TV. Regardless, both made me laugh and didn't change my opinion of either men. Both decent guys.

    Lastly, How did you know that the New York Times gave "39 days of front page coverage to the Abu Ghraib prisoner humiliation "

    Did you count, or did you rely on a biased news source?

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Feb. 28, 2013 6:19 a.m.

    There may actually be some merit to the claims made in this letter. A quick Google search only produced 2400+ responses for the egregious error of the president mispronouncing a word. But the relatively mild case of an assistant attorney general being accused of illegally helping someone buy political influence and taking a healthy fee for doing so in the process produced over 8 million responses. I mean, as the author points out, Mr. Swallow’s alleged infractions of the law is something that’s done every day by politicians everywhere. Surely we can forgive him.

    But now mispronouncing a word – three times no less – is just unforgiveable. Off with his head! In case you’re wondering, this is meant as sarcasm.

    And for the record, there over 38 million responses to the Benghazi attack and the president’s accountability, which seems hardly like a “minimization” of the issue. In the 8 years prior to the current administration over 60 Americans died in 16 separate attacks at embassies around the world. I wonder if Mr. Huck complained about the coverage of those, or even knew about them.