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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 27 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

Co2? Great plant food. I am more worried about cow belching and termites producing methane.

We need clean energy, clean air, clean water, clean land and energy independence.
We also need to encourage energy efficiency and technologies such as ground source heat pumps. We may not agree with each other re: CO2 cap/trade, taxes, or our effects on climate.

We do need more renewable energy. Start there and forget the fight on Co2.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

Back when the GOP was sane, they came up with market based ideas like cap-and-trade which not only worked amazingly well for acid rain (all the 20-somethings are saying “acid what?”), but spurred innovation in greener power plant technology. It was a total win-win.

Had we known back in the 90’s what we know today (that climate change is a fact), a bill like Boxer-Sanders would have passed overwhelmingly. But again, that was back before the world went topsy turvy and (most of) the GOP were rational.

Prediction – our grandchildren will look back at today’s GOP much the same way we look at the pre-civil war Wig party; which is to say the few who know anything about the Wigs see a 19th century anachronism, while most have no idea there ever was such a party.

And for anyone who thinks too much Co2 is just fine, I suggest you take a look at Venus.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

I beleive in climate change - indeed there has never been anything but climate change for millions of years (indeed just 40 years ago we were in massive global cooling - imagine that)
I do not believe in climate hysteria as illustrated by Tyler D

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

The author clearly has been duped by the "climate change" hoax perpetrated by the Saul-Alinsky-reading, Cass-Sundstein-following members of the homo-islamo-Obamo-fascist coalition whose overarching goal is to destroy freedom and cripple the American economy so that the Boy Scouts will have to admit gays and the federal government will confiscate our guns. Al Gore is doing his part by jetsetting around spreading his anticapitalist gospel while spewing more CO2 into the air than all members of the American Petroleum Institute and NRA combined (not to the mention the mind altering chemicals in his jet's contrails). The DesNews, one of the liberal Hezbo-media elites, is helping by disseminating more convenient lies for the lockstep brainwashed masses lined up to receive their free Obamaphones. CO2 is fertilizer and there are more polar bears now than ever before in history and falcons don't really go 200 mph.

There. Did I hit all the talking points? Just trying to save procurador, mW, RedShirt, AGF and others some keystrokes.

Spaghedeity
Draper, UT

Well spoken Lagomorph, I actually thought you were serious until your last line. Beautiful illustration of Poe's Law.

Poe's Law: Poe's Law is an axiom suggesting that it's difficult, if not impossible, to distinguish between parodies of religious or other fundamentalism and its genuine proponents, since they both seem equally insane.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

The GOP is has dissolved into the party of Anti-Science,
who cares about the enviroment,
pro-anything for a buck business,
let the poor and the needy, sick and elderly fend for themselves,
and let's go start another war.

They need to 1st stop denying there is a problem,
before they can start addressing any real solutions to them.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Counter Intelligence – “indeed there has never been anything but climate change for millions of years…”

Yes, and it takes place over “geologic time” (tens or hundreds of thousands of years). On the occasions it is sudden it is due to one-time events like meteors or volcanoes that affect the climate for short periods of time but then return to relative equilibrium.

Contrast the geologic time history of climate change with what we’re doing today (altering the climate over a few short decades) by burning fossil fuels at a continuous and ever increasing rate, and there is simply no comparison – our actions are unprecedented in history.

It’s not hysteria - it is science, which is in direct contrast to what the “denier” side is doing.

For an excellent review of the politics and special interests fueling this so-called debate, refer to David Brin’s article “Climate Skeptic v. Climate Deniers.”

Lew Scannon
Provo, UT

How can the GOP be part of the solution to climate change when they adamantly insist that climate change is a myth?

chilly
Salt Lake City, UT

When was the ideal state of climate to which you climate change alarmists want the earth to return?

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

Where is the proof that CO2 contributes to climate change. According to the NOAA the models are all wrong that are currently being used.

See "STATE OF THE CLIMATE IN 2008" at the NOAA. It states "The simulations rule out (at the 95% level) zero trends for intervals of 15 yr or more, suggesting that an observed absence of warming of this duration is needed to create a discrepancy with the expected present-day warming rate."

Now, read "Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it" from the Daily Mail.

In other words, we have the NOAA stating that it is impossible to have no warming for more than 15 years, and we are now entering 17 years of no warming. The models are wrong, yet liberals are using bad data to justify their globalist movement.

Tell us why should we trust models that are wrong?

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

Oh, I forgot to mention that the so-called researchers behind the climate change hoax (i.e. junk scientists) are cherry-picking or falsifying their data so they can continue to receive those lucrative federal grants and are using the power of peer review to suppress any data not fitting their models. Meanwhile, the noble and beleaguered purveyors of truth and Real Science slave away on the meager offerings that their destitute patrons at Exxon-Mobil and Koch Industries can occasionally spare.

Tyler D: "...it takes place over 'geologic time'..."

I think everyone should be required to take a bit of calculus. It gets you thinking in terms of rates of change. The rate of change is often vastly more significant than the magnitude of the change (consider the deceleration in hitting a wall from 60 mph versus 2 mph). A change of 5 degrees over millenia or eons is probably not a big deal. There is time to adjust. Over decades or centuries, it is.

chilly: "When was the ideal state of climate ..."

I recall a glorious day in May, 1975, with blue skies, pleasant breezes, and puffy white clouds. That would be nice.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

chilly
Salt Lake City, UT
When was the ideal state of climate to which you climate change alarmists want the earth to return?

11:11 a.m. Feb. 27, 2013

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How hot does it need to get before you global warming deniers finally decide to get on board and help us do something about it?

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

The Leftists never cease to amaze me with their irrational rationale. Tax oil and gas so that prices of Everything rise, then dribble a puny amount to taxpayers to make them feel better about the higher prices.

Huh?

Lew Scannon
Provo, UT

Oh, why bother? As long as half the population isn't able to read a third-grade book with any degree of analytical expertise, they will continue to believe what they hear on the radio.

chilly
Salt Lake City, UT

Open minded Mormon: "How hot does it need to get..."

"Hot" enough to melt a bunch of the 2 1/2 feet of snow off of my roof before the ice dams rip it apart would be nice.

Global temperatures have risen less than a degree Centigrade over the last 100 years. Temperature has been flat for over a decade despite a 12% increase in CO2 emissions in that time frame. At this rate I'll have to wait for the great global warming known as Spring to get any relief.

Lagomorph: "I recall a glorious day in May, 1975..."

Ah 1975.... the famous year that many scientists declared we were in for a new ice age.

Thanks so much for not wishing the decade of the 1930s on us, when 23 U.S. State high temperatures were set and still stand. During the decades of the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s - 12 State high temps set - total. Since 2000, take a guess ....... 1 State record set.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Redshirt
"In other words, we have the NOAA stating that it is impossible to have no warming for more than 15 years, and we are now entering 17 years of no warming."

95% certainty is not the same as stating something is impossible.

Those 17 years include the warmest decade in the modern record (the 2000s). That's not evidence of a lack of warming. That's evidence of cherrypicking a strong El Nino year to start your subset and conveniently having 4 La Nina years in the past 5 years to end it (incidentally 2012 was the warmest La Nina year on record).

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "atl134" actually it isn't cherry picking data. The NOAA said that with a 95% certainty that there could not be periods of more than 10 years without statistically significant warming. If the data was cherrypicked it wouldn't be 10 consecutive years. We are now going on 17 years of no statistically significant warming.

Per the NOAA's standard that they published in 2008, the models that are being used are wrong.

FYI, the 95% certainty is better than anything published linking CO2 and climate change.

Sad, the government says that the models are wrong and the liberals cling to the models in disbelief.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

@Spaghedeity

"Poe's Law: Poe's Law is an axiom suggesting that it's difficult, if not impossible, to distinguish between parodies of religious or other fundamentalism and its genuine proponents, since they both seem equally insane."

Interesting: Because that is exactly why I think politically correct fundamentalists and climate alarmist fundamentalists are actually worse than the ones they claim to oppose.

Speaking of which: From 1400 until 1850 temperatures dropped. From the lowest temps of 1850 until now we have seen 0.6 degrees of rise. None of that increase in the past several years. So the fact that temperatures have not risen in the last 15 years is pretty consistent with the last 150+ years (depsite any nino).

Which is not to say we should not clean up the air or not mess-our-nest; just that there is no need to be an insane fundamentalist about it.

Allisdair
Thornbury, Vic

@RedShirt

I understand you have read the Daily Mail article by David Rose on “Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office” but have you also looked into the Met offices response? I am certain if you search “ Met Office in the Media 14 Oct 2012” on the official blog of the Met Office you might be enlightened.

So I expect that we will stop hearing about this Daily Mail rubbish from you or do you think the Met are part of the conspiracy? The same conspiracy group that are behind the Grassy knoll.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Allisdair" it isn't just the UK Met office. Even the lead climate change alarmist scientists are saying that we haven't had any statistically significant warming in a long time.

In 2009 Kevin Trenberth stated that there has been no statistically significant warming since 2005. See "Where did all the warming go?" in the Washington Times.

Another thing to look at is some more recent releases from the UK Met office. From their web site, their article "Decadal Forecasting - What is it and what does it tell us?" states that there has been no warming since at least 2002, and no warming is expected for the next 5 years.

You should read the more recent article "Global warming stopped 16 years ago, Met Office report reveals: MoS got it right about warming... so who are the 'deniers' now?" in the Daily Mail.

To put the puzzle together, in 2009 Kevin Trenberth says no statistically significant warming since 1995, and in 2012 UK Met office says no warming since at least 2002, and no warming for at least 5 years more. That means we will have a 20 year span of no warming.

NOAA statement shows the models are wrong.

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