Many police around the country are urging peopleto have a gun. They say
due to budget cuts theycan't respond in time to all who need them.
Eastcoastcoug-I’m not sure about your point on pornography/gun
rights. Pornography for adults isn’t against the law, but the First
Amendment doesn’t protect child pornography or obscenity. Because I know
people are going to break those laws, and because I don’t want it in my
home, I do what is necessary to protect my family from pornography. Maybe
it’s prevalent in the east, but I don’t really hear much about
people fighting for pornography rights. Care to share?In case
you’ve forgotten, Adam Lanza tried to buy a rifle prior to his shooting,
but was denied because of existing gun laws. There are also laws against murder,
but no law kept him from murdering innocent children and women. Because I know
people are going to break laws, I own a gun to protect myself and my family,
just like I try to protect them from pornography. Criminals
don’t care about laws.
Constitution transforming to Obama care?Will we model Cuba? At least
they have gun control, and national health care.
@the truth"Now can any one here claim to know more about the 2nd
amendment than Thomas Jefferson?"Considering that:1)
Several of your quotes are fabrications misattributed to Thomas Jefferson
(easily discovered in a 30 second internet search); and 2) Thomas
Jefferson had precisely zero involvement in drafting the Second Amendment - or
the rest of the Constitution for that matterI'm going to go out
on a limb and say I know much more about the Second Amendment than the strawmen
you're putting up.
Interesting how we want limits on pornography and vulgarity, etc. which one
could argue are protected by the first amendment, but at the same time we want
no limits on guns which are protected by the second. Just proves how we can
justify whatever we want.
@JohnInSLCThe bill of rights does not create rights or give rights,
it GUARANTEES rights.And the constitution only gived a few specific
powers to the government.When you examine the 9th and 10th
amendments, we the people (and the states) have all the rights. So churches do
have right to own buildings and their members to meet in them.We own
all the rights, not government.We can see the liberal government
over stepping and wanting to control everything and everyone, whether it is soda size or guns.The questions is why do you want
the government to have such unfettered power over your life?
Not Here:The 2nd Amendment reads, "...the right of the people to
keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". The primary meaning of
"arms" is weapons considered collectively (including bullets). The
Constitution doesn't specifically say "firearm" but the Supreme
Court in 2008 ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to
possess and carry firearms.Being that the purpose of the 2nd
Amendment is to give the citizens the ability to protect ourselves, it would be
impossible to do with an unloaded gun. That would be infringing on our rights.
If it were so easy to "ban bullets" to solve the gun
violence problem in our country, anti-gun crazies would have done it a long time
ago. So, you're from the same state as Joe Salazar, are you?
@ drifter: Sir you have just made you self look like afool by not
only reading all the way to the end but replying. And there is noting prejudice
about what is being said about the NRA. It is people that carry there feelings
on there sleaves that are affended.
All of these comments are against the NRA, of which I am a member. Talk about
prejudice, you guys have it in spades. No wonder I never bother to read your
@ Johninslc: Sir you have not answered my question. Do's this
mean you can not or that you refuse to? And it was a simple question. Any one
else like to answer it?
Oatmeal: I took a U S Government class in high school. The Constitution can not
be changed in anyway.
not here:Your question is absurd. That's like saying that while
you honor the constitutional right of a free exercise of religion, there is no
constitutional right for churches to own buildings for their members to meet in.
Law abiding citizens get uneasy with a government that is already treating its
citizens as subjects, rather than citizens. Words have meaning, including those
in our constitution, something many of our politicians and too many of our
citizens show contempt. Read the word of God, read the Constitution, and ponder
what the words mean in each. You can't take away a law abiding
citizen's right, an unalienable right, without making our society more
violent,less kind, less helpful, less charitable, and less Godly. America is
unlike any other country in the world with our God-given rights, including the
right to bear arms. All those rights, which carry equal responsibilies based on
God's laws and teachings, and society changes for the better.
Re AllenThere are times when a government sponsoredmilitia
can't get there in time. (hurricane Katrinaremember?)This is one of the reasons why our constitutionprovides for the
possibility of people sponsoredMilitias.
I thought Amy was a news reporter, not an editorial writer.
@AllenThe right was guaranteed to the PEOPLE.not to the
state, and certainly not to state militias.--To be a well regulated militia the people must as powerful as the federal
government.Thomas Jefferson:When the people fear their
government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is
liberty. Thomas Jefferson: “Laws that forbid the
carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to
commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for
the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an
unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
(Quoting Cesare Beccaria)Thomas Jefferson The beauty of
the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.
Finally, Thomas Jefferson:No freeman shall be debarred
the use of arms.--Now can any one here claim to know
more about the 2nd amendment than Thomas Jefferson?
@cjb "With each gun sold, rules of gun safety should be provided." That
is already the csse. For a quite a few years, every new firearm purchased comes
with a manual that outlines gun safety.
Regardless of which side you take on this issue, we all need to be a little
savvier. Judicially: gun rights are as strong as they have ever been in this
Republic (2nd Amendment now enforced against states as well as Federal
Gov't and viewed by courts as an individual rather than collective right in
the past decade).Politically: Gun rights are stronger than ever.
Even when Dems controlled both houses 2008-2010 they didn't try to revive
an assualt weapons ban of the 1990s, which is the most they could have hoped
for. Harry Reid is stronly pro gun and so are the House Republicans.Follow the money: Gun makers, dealers and the NRA make millions by you and me
thinking that our rights are going to be taken away. Read a real newspaper
instead of right-wing radio and you will know that there is not such threat of
anyone's guns being taken a way.
Snowman wrote: "It's still part of the constitution and it can not be
changed."Now we know why we have to have a required course in
U.S. Government for every high school student in Utah. Perhaps only then will
Utah's conservatives then understand that the instructions for changing the
Constitution were written within the Constitution by the Founding Fathers
This just solidifies the notion that rational thinking is not part of the NRA or
the people that support them.
Mental Illness is a serious problem in Utah. Utah family's have many
children. There is a very good likelihood that in a large family, one member,
or more have some degree of mental illness; depression anxiety, etc. That being
said, I find it very dangerous that household's in Utah have guns in their
homes. A good friend of mine lost his son to suicide; by a gun. He had know
idea that his son had mental issues. He was young. But his son did know where
the gun cabinet was and how to get into it. Think seriously about this matter
one old man: It's still part of the constitution and it can not be
All so if the FEDS come for your ammo theres othig in the constitution that
bands them from that. As far as i know unless i missed it some where.
If i may can i ask all you constitution's and gun nuts a question please?
Can any of you please put in print just where it says that you can have bullets?
I know it say you can own fire arms but i have yet to see where it says you can
own bullets. Well gun nuts and constitution's please reply if you dare.
This article is more about the bias of the so-called "reporter" than
anything else.First, she claims LaPierre "provided no
evidence" that registration will lead to confiscation. Apparently she
doesn't read other stories appearing in the DNews. On A13 of the print
edition, also available online, is a report of a Justice Dept. memo that
suggests such. As usual, the Administration is calling the memo "an
unfinished review" (typical move from the BO playbook, let some flunky leak
it to see if it flies, then disavow when it hits the ground).Second,
she has forgotten her high school driver's ed class. She quotes Mr.
Holyhoak's musings about firearms and driver licenses without also
mentioning that while driving on the public roadways is a privilege,
self-defense is a constitutional right embodied by the Second Amendment
guarantee that citizens may "keep and bear arms."The quality
of journalism at the DNews is slipping badly.
One Old Man,You must not be reading news the last two months. There
has been a massive, unprecedented push to implement new gun laws. It is not
paranoia when the message is before our eyes daily.Regarding the
Second Amendment only being for militia, there is a very good way to expose that
fallacy. Read the writings of the founders regarding the subject. For some
strange reason, many people believe we should be able to put our own
interpretations on documents and that it does not matter what the intent was. I
find that illogical in the extreme. Most of the founders were highly educated
historians and they had seen the pattern of tyranny when governments had no
checks from their citizens. Read what they had to say.
Love the NRA! True American grown - constitution defending organization. I am a
proud member and I thank heaven for the work the NRA does and what they
represent. The communist left in this county won't stop until they have a
total gun ban in the US and the NRA is right there to slam their fingers in the
door. All the Constitution haters won't stop their gun ban campaign but all
the hunters, and citizen who cherish the right to protect themselves and their
family will never ever stop fighting against the forces of communism either.
Simpler, but equally accurate version of the story:Huckster comes to
Utah, shouts "OBAMA! Booga-Booga-Booga!"Huckster shakes his
fist in air, roars, and then thumps his chest.The crowd goes
wild.The money flows.Huckster is happy.
was this a news story or an opinion piece? At least try to hide your disgust
enough to report the story or should someone else have been sent to cover it?
Did you have to get a licence to be a journalist because your practice of the
craft could be grounds for getting the licence revoked.
snowman says: " The Comstitution can not be changed no matter what people
think."Have you ever heard the word "Amdendment?"
one vote: The Comstitution can not be changed no matter what people think.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
wayne lapierre for president...Failed to provide any evidence... "...He did not make himself available to answer questions from
reporters, nor did he provide any evidence that universal background checks
would become a stepping stone to a registry leading to confiscation of
weapons...".Failed the strawman gambit..."...Feinstein's bill actually would not impact any legally owned gun
of those attending LaPierre's speech because it would not be retroactive.
It also would exempt 2,200 hunting and sporting weapons and would make exempt
any gun manually operated by a bolt, pump, lever or slide action...".As far as wraping words around the second amendment...An
interesting fact of the story is that it is part of the Business section.wayne lapiere is nothing more than a front man/sales person for the
weapons industry."...But Saturday's gathering was a time
for emotion, not specifics...".Exactly.
Utah has more firearm deaths per capita than California. In 2010
Utah ranked in the top 10 for number of suicides per capita. In 2010, 473
people in UT died from suicide, and 52 deaths from homicide. In 2010 there
were 314 deaths from firearms in UT and 272 deaths from motor vehicle accidents.
Checks are coming. The gun lobby must agree to some new legislation. The
"everyone can have any type of arm at any time" mentality will result in
eventual repeal of the Second amendment. Extremism and radical anarchy in
defense of unlimited fire power will "backfire". While it may be fun
to blast off 1000 rounds playing rambo at the range, should everyone be obsessed
by weapons designed to kill animals and people.
Wayne LaPierre in Utah spreading even more scare stories for those gullible
enough to swallow them.Hopefully, not all of us will be as gullible
and paranoid as a few of the posters here have been this morning. It's
encouraging to see that the majority of posts here this morning contain some
good sense and have not fallen for the "gonna get your guns" lies of the
Wonder what the DN was trying to convey with their photos of sweet little babies
around gun people.Like other polar opposites in the universe, those two do
"He did not make himself available to answer questions from reporters, nor
did he provide any evidence that universal background checks would become a
stepping stone to a registry leading to confiscation of weapons."Doing what LaPiere does best! Run around the country selling the Chicken
Little based scenerio that big brother is coming to take our guns, big brother
is the enemy, we need more guns, more ammo, bigger clips. Get the gunners
whipped into a frenzy and the next thing we will hear is we need gun ports in
our homes and land mines in the lawn to stop the "big brother
invaders". In the same article the statement was made "it
should be as hard to get a gun permit as it is to get a drivers licence" but
then again who knows, big brother might use the DL data base to come and
confiscate our tanks and armored vehicles, after all big brother is lurking just
around the corner! What LaPierre fails to mention in all his diatribes is the
money factor which is after all what drives the NRA!
"Buying a gun should be at least as hard as getting a drivers license."
Oh contrare Mr. Holyhoak. A drivers license is not guaranteed by the
Constitution. Being able to own a gun is. You remember what the Constitution is
don't you sir? Liberals only know it when it suits their agenda. "Gun
Control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober
people to own cars".
Those tragic events to which he refers to as 'opportunities',
presumably because he sees them as times when people are more willing to
consider some sort of gun restrictions, they're not opportunities.
They're symptoms. Signs of a sick environment or society. If you want to
call them opportunities, call them missed opportunities, because what we've
done up to this point, which is absolutely nothing, is not working.
Constitutional rights critic Holyhoak argues: "Buying a gun should be
at least as hard as getting a drivers license."Well, criminals
get drivers licenses (if they bother to get one at all) just like the get guns--
illegally. Fake driver licenses are readily available here in Utah, along with
all sorts of other fake ID. All of which, by the way, will enable a criminal to
use their new fake identity to buy a gun- even with a background check.And, does Holyhoak also want DMV style bureaucratic interference with anyone
wanting to speak out on issues, write for a newspaper or a blog? How about
getting the official state approved card and registration before you can attend
the church or your choice, if deemed "suitable"?As for proof
registration leads to confiscation- California already did it with certain
"assault weapons" and confiscation (euphemistically "surrendering to
the state without compensation") is included in several bills introduced in
several state legislatures.Our rights ARE under attack, and the very
foundation of our nation, the Constitution, is under attack. The founders
adopted the Second Amendment to ensure citizens could defend against a
tyrannical government, hoping it would never be needed.
Voting is a constitutionally guaranteed right, but you don't have that
right if you're not registered to vote.The right to keep and
bear arms is a constitutionally guaranteed right, so why should it be forbidden
to require gun owners to register their guns?The NRA is becoming
more out of touch every day.
No registration! No compliance! No compromise! We TeaPublicans along with the
NRA members are NOT going to let the government take our weapons! We will not
let law enforcement take our weapons! I am worried that any attempt from obama
to take our guns might start an armed rebellion! We will not give up our guns
so I guess you can TRY to put us in jail. We need a leader like Ted Nugent
(supported by FoxNews, Michele Bachman, Rush Limbaugh, Grover Norquist, Sarah
Palin, Gingrich, Dick Morris, O’Riley, Hannity, Beck and Malkin) to guide
us down a path of resistance to the government gun grab! Radio talk show host
Alex Jones said “you darn right 1776 will happen again and the Republic
will rise again if the government tries to take our guns”! Just remember
what Thomas Jefferson said: “Whenever any form of government becomes
destructive of these ends life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness it is the
right of the people to alter or abolish it and to institute a new
government…”. TeaPublicans will take back America in 2014 and 2016
and we will take back those gun laws too!
The NRA is evil. It used to really represent sportsmen, but no more. It is an
extremist group, and I am appalled that Utahns Utahns are into the excessive
lust for guns. It is beyond unseemly. And I cannot fathom how they square it
with the Gospel of Christ.
I've reread the Second Amendment several times, and it sounds to me that
that amendment states that owning guns is a conditional right of people, they
have the right to own guns so there will be people with guns available for the
militia. At the time that amendment was written, states and the Federal
government provided no guns for members of the militia. Militia members had to
provide their own guns. However, things are different today. When I was a member
of the Utah National Guard, my Guard unit provided my M1 rifle, carbines,
machine guns, bazookas, and howitzers for use during my training. The
Constitution and the Bill of Rights makes no mention of gun registration or
background checks, so those two things are not protected by the Second
Amendment.I support the right of citizens to have guns, but I hope
we citizens will have enough honesty to not claim that freedom from gun
registration and background checks is supported by the Constitution.
Background checks work. Leaders from law enforcement overwhelmingly concur on
this. I don't support an assault weapons ban, but eliminating the gunshow
loophole on background checks seems like a no-brainer to me.
Utah gun nuts.
With each gun sold, rules of gun safety should beprovided.If
and only if such rules are followed, can a gun inyour home make your home
safer. Otherwisea gun in a home makes it less safe.