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Published: Friday, Feb. 22 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Maudine
SLC, UT

If the minimum wage had grown at the same rate as executive pay, it would be over $20/hour.

Management does not need to make 300 times what the average employee of their company makes.

And before you go off about how raising minimum wage is going to increase prices, please be sure to include in that comment why CEO pay isn't one of your concerns when discussing prices.

PS - If you look at the numbers, very few minimum wage jobs are held by teenagers who have no financial obligations beyond themselves.

PPS - Countries with higher equivalent minim wages, have lower unemployment.

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

Ideally you are not trying to make a living on minimum wage. You will be unhappy and miserable. Min Wage jobs are supposed to be for Kids who just entered the workforce and start at the bottom. If you remained at the bottom you have to ask yourself: what happened to me?
If you decided not to learn a skill that is what happened. And if you had no opportunity to learn a skill, a min wage job can set you up for low wage management, and lots of other things.
LET NOT pander to those who want to make a living flipping burgers. Sure raise the Min wage a bit, but not too much, its not supposed to be a living wage.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

A very thoughtful letter, and the minimum wage should be expanded to cover all gainful employment. At the present there are portions of the workforce that are not protected.

higv
Dietrich, ID

Most adults makking minimum wage get food stamps and subsidized rent. Thing is by raising the minimum wage you are raising prices to go with it. Businesses particularly small ones will pass the cost on to you anyway. As for ceo's if you bring in more money to them you deserve a pay raise yourself. Business owners work hard so you can have jobs and products you enjoy. Are they making you any poorer. They toil more than there employees too.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Excellent comment Maudine.

Corporate profits have been steadily climbing. CEO and Executive pay has skyrocketed.
Average worker pay has been fairly flat.

From International Business Daily

"Chief executive pay jumped by more than 725 percent between 1978 and 2011, according to a new report from the non-partisan Economic Policy Institute, compared to just 5.7 percent growth in worker compensation during the same period. The pattern contributes to the widening wage gap between the nation's highest earners and other earners -- something the report says is a driving factor of income inequality in the U.S."

How does this get politicized? How does anyone, Republican or Democrat look at the above numbers and defend them?

How did corporations and CEOs dupe so many of the working class of this country to defend the disparity in pay increases?

How does anyone see a 725% increase for CEO's vs a 6% increase for the average worker as being good for the country?

Put aside partisanship for just one minute and read what is quoted above. What does common sense tell you?

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The minimum wage would have to be raised to around $10.50/hr. just to regain the purchasing power it had in the sixties. Since the sixties, inflation adjusted per-capita GDP has doubled. In other words, America is twice as rich as it was back then. So why are American workers making less money?

chilly
Salt Lake City, UT

"America is twice as rich as it was back then. So why are American workers making less money?"

The continued flood of immigrants into and manufacturing out of this country has made low skilled labor much more available, thus much less "valuable". We only have ourselves to blame for electing people who aid and abet these circumstances. If anyone thinks hiking minimum wage a couple of bucks will help anything - they're dreaming.

Rikitikitavi
Cardston, Alberta

You really do not know what you are talking about. Increasing the minimum wage will in fact cause job losses because employers like me will hire fewer workers or else raise prices. (or else both will be the result). Either way inflation is the inevitable result.

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

By the same logic, why should I as a consumer be forced to pay higher prices for goods and services to subsidize welfare for low-wage workers?

Funny how liberals fail to realize that all of us pay when "corporations" are penalized financially. Check your 401K lately for what corporations you own?

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

Terrific letter, making an argument I hadn't considered before. Well done. Oh, and Rikitikitavi, no you won't. You'll hire more people. You'll have to, to keep up with increased business. The stimulative value of a raise in minimum wage is an accepted and established economic axiom.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

@Thinkinman

"By the same logic, why should I as a consumer be forced to pay higher prices for goods and services to subsidize welfare for low-wage workers?"

If you look at what I posted earlier, you should be concerned about you "subsidy" for the executives.
They are the ones getting a disproportional amount of the pie.

"Funny how liberals fail to realize that all of us pay when "corporations" are penalized financially. Check your 401K lately for what corporations you own?"

Corporations are actually doing quite well. And in a large part because of the productivity gains of their workers. But CEO's and other executives are increasingly getting a disproportionate piece of the pie.

How are they being penalized financially?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

The only down side to raising the minimum wage is possible inflation.

With those making higher earnings [and paying higher tax revenues and getting less tax payers subsidized food and housing].

FYI - these were a huge portion of the 47% Mitt Romney and the rest of the Republicans were complaining about.

You don't want people "mooching" from the system, pay them enough for them to have something to contribute.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Rikitikitavi
"Increasing the minimum wage will in fact cause job losses because employers like me will hire fewer workers or else raise prices."

So what you're saying is you currently pay your workers the bare minimum and your company is so inept at earning money you can't even afford a dollar an hour more per employee?

"Either way inflation is the inevitable result."

A small percentage of the workers in this nation getting a 1 dollar/hour pay increase would not substantially alter inflation.

chilly
Salt Lake City, UT

"The only down side to raising the minimum wage is possible inflation."

Not really. Increasing in the minimum wage has usually increased unemployment among young workers. Hardest hit are young black people.

Google: "WSJ The Minority Youth Unemployment Act"

Also, Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell have written extensively on this topic.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Not a single business will fail due to a higher minimum wage.

Any sane business owner will simply add a nickel or dime to their product or service.
Consumers will pay it, and will not ever notice the few pennies more.

Those who don't/won't and fail anyway,
just prove they aren't very good business owners in the 1st place, they product or service is not worth it anyway, or they are simply looking to blame someone else for their own failures.

Gas companies flex their prices several DOLLARS per gallon all year long, forcing consumers to pay $Hundereds more each month, and yet - ironically - not a single conservative, Tea Party Republican whines about that?

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Raising the minimum will stimulate business, as the underclass gets more purchasing power. There is no data to show that raising the minimum hurts business.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

Wow, the comments here only show that most liberals do not understand business.

First, according to the IRS, the majority of minimum wage earners are suburban teens and young college students. Why is it necessary to raise wages for that segment of society?

The biggest reason why raising minimum wage is a bad idea is that it actually raises unemployment among teens. See "Minimum Wages and Employment: A Case Study of the Fast-Food Industry in New Jersey and Pennsylvania" at Berkley, "Raising the Minimum Wage: A Tired, Bad Proposal" at National Review, and "The Young and the Jobless" in the WSJ.

Why do you liberals want to support an idea that historically leads to fewer jobs, and more demands on those with jobs?

Invisible Hand
Provo, UT

All of you min wage advocates should try starting your own business sometime. Before you rip on business owners for being greedy, walk a mile in their shoes. Try facing the day to day pressure of making payroll and paying vendors and contractors. Maudine, what qualifies you to say how much anyone should make? Eric, in what universe are you living where if you raise the price of something you get more of it?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT
Wow, the comments here only show that most liberals do not understand business.

First, according to the IRS, the majority of minimum wage earners are suburban teens and young college students. Why is it necessary to raise wages for that segment of society?

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Wow, that comment only show that most conservatives do not understand economics.

To use an old Ronald Reagan Republican aphorism...

"A rising tide lifts ALL ships."

That's why.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Open Minded Mormon" how does creating more unemployment help? Yes, "A rising tide lifts ALL ships" but as the studies show that with respect to minimum wage, the tide is not rising. An equally valid statement is "a receeding tide strands all ships".

As the Berkley study found, raising the minimum wage is a bad thing and will lead to greater unemployment.

Your statements only confirm a lack of understanding. Historically, as I stated previously, raising minimum wage laws only increases unemployment.

If you want to help the poor and get them employed you cannot keep raising the minimum wage becaue first it increases unemployment, and second it raises the price of the goods that we all need.

You and your ilk constantly complain that businesses move overseas where labor is cheap. What do you think will happen when we make US labor that much more expensive? It is well documented that the right to work states have lower unemployment. Why is that? Could it be that the cheaper labor rates attract businesses? What will happen when US labor rates increase?

Why do you want more people unemployed? Do you want more people dependant on government handouts?

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