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Published: Thursday, Feb. 21 2013 4:00 p.m. MST

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BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Naval Vet

"Again, there was nothing inaccurate about my position that AFA and UH finished 8-4 and 7-4 respectively, and UNRANKED!"

Inaccurate, no. Misleading, absolutely!

In 1984, the "Top 25" only included the "Top 20". It's not out of the realm of possibility that AFA could have been ranked if there had been a Top 25 in 1984.

Having watching AFA, Hawaii, and Michigan in 1984, and Texas A&M and Pittsburgh in 2004, there's no question, all three of those 1984 BYU opponents were better than anybody Utah played in 2004.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

BlueIndyWACer:

"It's not out of the realm of possibility that AFA could have been ranked if there had been a Top 25 in 1984."

Yes it is. Name ONE team from the WAC with an 8-4 record that had ever finished ranked in the Top-25.

You can't, can you? But you COULD find an Air Force team that was ranked only #25 after a 12-1 season (1997). So yeah...it IS beyond that realm.

There is in fact no question that the '04 Pitt and A&M teams were better than anybody the cougars played in '84, and I would even postulate that both would have been better than the '84 cougars themselves.

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Naval Vet

"Name ONE team from the WAC with an 8-4 record that had ever finished ranked in the Top-25."

Silly BYU-hater.

BYU(8-3-2) was ranked #23/#23 in 1991
and
BYU(10-3) was ranked #18/#10 in 1994.

Long before Air Force joined the WAC, AFA(9-3) finished #16/#11 in 1970.

In 1983, AFA(10-2) finished #13/#15 and in 1985, AFA(12-1) finished #8/#5.

After stomping Va Tech(8-4) in the Independence Bowl in 1984, it's not only VERY possible, it's a near certainty that AFA would have been ranked in the Top 25.

There is, in fact, no question that
1984 AFA(8-4), Hawaii(7-4) and Michigan(6-6)
were all better than
2004 Texas A&M(7-5) and Pittsburgh(8-4).

Pittsburgh was beaten at home by Nebraska(5-6) and barely beat D1-AA Furman 41-38 at home.
Texas A&M(7-5) was stomped by Tennessee(10-3) 7-38 in the Cotton Bowl.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

Naval Vet

BlueCoug is absolutely correct about Air Force being ranked in 1984.

Following #20 Virginia 119 in the 1984 AP OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES

#21 West Virginia 109
#22 Georgia 67
#23 Army 44
#24 AIR FORCE 26
#24 Notre Dame 26

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

BlueCoug and Rockwell

Good work on proving that BYU's 1984 opponent, #24 Air Force(8-4), was better than any team Utah beat in 2004!

Of course we can expect to see lots of obfuscating from our good naval friend, but the facts presented are undeniable.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

Rockwell

So BlueCoug's assertion is accurate, that the AFA would have been ranked #24 in the Final 1984 AP Poll if the poll had included the "Top 25" instead of only the "Top 20".

That's going to be a bitter pill to swallow for our friends who claim that BYU 1984 didn't beat anybody.

Beating the team that finished #24 in Final 1984 AP Poll 30-25 on the road certainly sounds like beating somebody.

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

WOW!

So after all the fuss about BYU not beating a single Top 25 team in 1984, it turns out that the Cougars actually did beat a team that finished #24 in the Final AP Poll voting?

nosaerfoecioveht
NSL, UT

Loving all these BYU fans trying to justify the '84 SHAMpionship 30 years later. That says it all right there! The 84 cougs played the 3rd worst schedule in all of Division 1 football. They barely beat the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called champion (Michigan finished 6th in the Big 10, and the Big 10 was as bad as the WAC that year. Literally.) They are the only team to EVER be called a "national champion" without beating a single ranked opponent. None. Zero. Completely unproven against any good team.

"If strength of schedule had mattered as much then, BYU would not have been voted national champs" -Sports Illustrated

Under today's system "there's no way we would have been number one.. there would be four teams higher than us in the polls." -Robbie Bosco

From the mouth of your own qb..

LOL!

TrollPolice
Salt Lake City, UT

ssenhsilooffoecioveht

Gotta luv all these jealous BYU-obsessed haters always trying to minimize a legitimate National Championship.

You quote Bosco out of context; he never said BYU didn't deserve to win the 1984 national championship.

Bottom line, BYU was voted #1 by EVERY MAJOR NATIONAL SELECTING ORGANIZATION, including the most prestigious poll, the AP Poll, which has been selecting national champions every year since 1936 in exactly the same way.

nosaerfoecioveht
NSL, UT

@troll

"the AP Poll, which has been selecting national champions every year since 1936 in exactly the same way"

Exactly the same way? Haha yeah, Sports Illustrated is probably wrong. Strength of schedule mattered just as much in 84 as it does now. Clearly.

I find it funny that a quick google search on the topic will bring up a number of completely impartial sports blogs and larger publications (such as SI) that do everything from question the legitimacy of the 84 SHAMpionship to outright mocking it. But the only articles you can find defending it are BYU fanboy blogs.

Probably one of the reasons why coug fans will always be trying to justify it.

PAC 12 loves U
Sandy, Utah

@ TrollPolice

"Bottom line, BYU was voted #1 by EVERY MAJOR NATIONAL SELECTING ORGANIZATION, including the most prestigious poll, the AP Poll, which has been selecting national champions every year since 1936 in exactly the same way".

You just proved Naval Vet correct! BYU was "VOTED" national champions in 1984. They did not win it! If BYU "WON" the national championship in 1984 they would have played #1 Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl or #2 Miami in the Fiesta Bowl. But BYU played a mediocre 6-6 Michigan team in the lowly Holiday Bowl that was bare bowl eligible.

1984 National Shampions indeed!

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