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Published: Thursday, Feb. 21 2013 4:00 p.m. MST

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Canyontreker
TAYLORSVILLE, UT

Canyontreker: "If BYU went undefeated with next year's schedule we would be in a BCS Bowl."

Naval Vet "Nope. The rule is..."

I agree with you which is why I said "with next year's schedule" they will be in. Have you seen the 2013 schedule? Up until November it's as good as any school in this big country except it's mostly on the road.

By the way I am a Utah fan too, it's just easier to park and get tickets in Provo.

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

Cowboy Dude

Just as one game does not make a season, one season doesn't prove dominance over an extended period of time.

As Y's little brother asked, if the Utes are really so good, how come they're hardly ever ranked in the Top 25?

BSU wasn't invited to a BCS conference, but they've been MUCH better than U during the last decade.

TCU wasn't invited to the Big 12 until several years after Utah's invitation to the PAC 12, yet TCU has been MUCH better than U during the last decade.

Hawaii has zero chance of being invited to a BCS conference, despite their BCS bowl appearance.

The truth is, BCS bowl participation doesn't mean squat as far as invitations to BCS conferences go.

It's all about money and television markets, and, as we saw with Rutgers and Maryland, has very little to do with the actual teams invited. Why else would Rutgers or Maryland merit an invitation to the B1G over Louisville?

Utah and Colorado were invited to the PAC 12 because of their television markets, nothing more.

Canyontreker
TAYLORSVILLE, UT

MyPerspective "I have to ask myself if these articles and corresponding comment threads would even exist if Utah was not in the Pac-12. We'll never know."

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Nice comments. Welcome to Salt Lake too.

Unfortunately, we do know. These articles go back to Arizona and Arizona State leaving the WAC for the PAC10. We have heard the argument from the local press and fans ever since that BYU was a PAC10 favorite. Even I was surprised that only Utah was picked decades later.

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

Razzle2

You obviously didn't get the memo.

Once the playoffs start, the BCS bowls will become just like the NIT, a nice place to spend the post season, IF you're not invited to the Big Dance.

There's already talk of expanding the playoffs to 8 teams, in fact, it's practically a foregone conclusion that we'll have an 8-team playoff by 2016.

As far as national prestige goes, the BCS bowls will be nothing more than lucrative consolation prizes.

Clark W. Griswold
Sandy, Utah

@ Y's little brother syndrome

"If the Utes are so great, how come they're hardly ever ranked in the Top 25?"

If the Cougs are so great, how come they have a hard time beating Utah?

Little brother = losers of 3 straight games, 8 of the last 11, and 56-34-4 all time!

Get used to it little brother, 4 in a row is coming this fall!

Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

Clark W. Griswold

One game does not a season make; Utah was simply lucky to win 3 in a row; the Utes easily could have, and probably should have, lost 2 of the 3.

BYU has proven that they're the better overall team during the Bronco/Kyle era.

More Top 25 finishes, more conference championships, more bowls, better overall record, no losing seasons, and no losses to really bad teams like 10-loss UNLV and 10-loss Colorado.

Get used to being a PAC 10.2 bottom dweller. A team that isn't good enough to be ranked, isn't good enough to be a serious challenger for anything in the PAC.

BYU has SEVENTEEN AP Top 25 finishes; Utah has only FIVE.

Just like the 80's, BYU has once again become Utah's bowl game, only U don't even get to play your bowl game at the end of the season anymore.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Utah and Colorado were invited to the PAC 12 because of their television markets, nothing more.

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and because they didn't dictate which days they will and will not play on! The type of BYU fans on these threads make it easy to dislike BYU. The arrogance is a bit much.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@SpokaneUte "and because they didn't dictate which days they will and will not play on! The type of BYU fans on these threads make it easy to dislike BYU. The arrogance is a bit much."

Yes, of course, since staying true to your beliefs and not selling the proverbial birthright for a mess of pottage (in this case, playing on Sundays to get into a BCS conference) is completely arrogant (roll my eyes).

I find it interesting that U apparently hold BYU fans to a higher standard when Ute "fans" (a.k.a BYU haters) come on here, like U expect us to just lie down and let them mock and berate our school. Where does it say in the Honor Code that we're not allowed to defend our school? And how is that arrogance?

So according to U, Ute "fans" can dish it out all they want, but heaven forbid that a BYU fans responds in turn.

Lol...sorry to disappoint U.

Go Cougars!

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

Spokane Ute

It's sad that you have such contempt for the Sabbath of the Lord.

Since when is following the dictates of one's own conscience considered "arrogance"?

Clark W. Griswold
Sandy, Utah

@ Y's little brother syndrome

What does top 25 finishes, bowl game appearances, ect. have to do with Utah playing BYU head to head? It doesn't! It's irrelevant just like your team! Y fans love to use that rhetoric to cover up their losses to the Utes because they're frustrated with losing to Utah every year and that's all they have.

How is Utah winning 3 straight games against the Cougs lucky? Explain to me how Utah has won 8 of the last 11 games including 3 blow outs? It certainly isn't luck, it's consistency! Coach Whitt and Utah knows how to beat BYU. The Cougs need to figure out how to beat Utah again. Unfortunately for them, they're failing miserably. Oh and Kyle leads Bronco 5-3 head to head.

Until BYU finally beats Utah, your rhetoric is nothing but hot air.

Are you ready for a fourth straight loss to big brother this fall?

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@Clark

San Jose St beat BYU head-to-head last year and has 10-6 overall series record lead over the Cougars. Am I supposed to respect them/think they're relevant?

U've been lucky 2 of the last 3 times, because in 2011 it took a botched punt that fortuitously bounced off of one of our players, a muffed handoff between our freshman QB and freshman RB, a blown call on a legit interception, and our DB playing great D and tipping a pass that fell right into the lap of your receiver for a TD for U to win that game.

Last year, BYU outscored Utah's offense 21-17, and only lost because we couldn't recover our own botched snap.

I'm not seeing this Utah "dominance" we hear so much about. I see Utah being on the receiving end of a couple of gifts from BYU.

Regardless, the U is still coming off a losing season, no bowl game, kicking a player off the team for almost beating his wife to death, and suspending your star safety for multiple drug test failures.

That's just sad.

Go Cougars!

Warrior Parent
Belle Glade, FL

Without BYU... Utah would not even exist

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ truecoug1

Likewise, BYU's last three wins have come on the back of a missed tackle in OT, a conversion on 4th and 18, and a completely broken play that ended with a toss to the opposite corner of the endzone. Why are those not fluke plays/wins?

Also in 2011, Utah won 54-10. The Utes scored 47 unanswered points. It is pure delusion to claim that as a 'lucky' win. And not that it's important but J.J. Di Luigi was a senior, and Heaps was a soph. It wasn't a muffed punt, it was a kickoff. I'm not sure why you're commenting, because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

@Naval Vet

I have always found that it helps to know what you are talking about in order to be effective in Debate... You fail badly in that catagory... When BYU beat Pitt to open the 2004 season, they were ranked #2 in one poll and #3 in another and BYU beat them on their field... BYU also beat Michigan in the Holiday Bowl who went on to win the National Championship the following year...

When BYU beat AF and UH both were ranked and again they beat HA in HA...

The big claim at the end of the year was made by Oklahoma's Barry Switzer who thought that the winner of the Orange Bowl between OU and U of Washington should be the national champion... Both only had one loss at the time and were ranked #2 and #3... U of W beat them by a good margin but BYU beat Michigan in the Holiday Bowl and as a result BYU was voted by both Coaches and East Coast biased Writers as the National Champion...

The following year BYU played the U of W in the opening game of the season and beat them 28-0..

Nuff Said.

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

It's amazing that you want to talk about winning on "flukes" Naval Vet...If you want to see a series of flukes, just take a look at last year and 2010... BYU should have won both games... But I am sure that they will make up for it well this next year...

BTW, good thing for you that we're not talking about Hoops... U is 1-11 against BYU over the past 7 years and the one game that y'all were able to pull off about 5 years ago was in OT at your place...

Clark W. Griswold
Sandy, Utah

@ truecoug1

"I'm not seeing this Utah "dominance" we hear so much about. I see Utah being on the receiving end of a couple of gifts from BYU".

Of course you don't see it! Your blind to reality! Utah's dominance over BYU comes from "WINNING" head to head (doesn't matter how the game was won). Your trying to justify BYU's losses to the Utes by making excuses and it's not only you it's also Y's little brother syndrome. He said it's because Utah got lucky! Your saying it was a "gift". Utah simply made more plays than BYU did. End of story!

You brought up the 2011 blow out game! Yes BYU turned the ball over 7 times, but don't better teams cause and capitalize on turnovers? Last years game BYU had 3 chances at the end of the game to win, but failed!

If you want to talk about "gifts" you should also take into account the 2006 Beck to Harline "gift" and 2007 4th and 18 "gift". Both resulted in BYU wins.

No more excuses! Give credit where credit is due!

Utah Owns BYU on the gridiron!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

truelittlebrother1:

"I'm not seeing this Utah 'dominance' we hear so much about. I see Utah being on the receiving end of a couple of gifts from BYU."

You've lost 8 of the last 11. That puts your winning percentage over that time span at .273. We've also owned you over the past 15, 20, and 25 year spans, and that's to say nothing of our insurmountable generation lead in the all-time series. I'm just not seeing you NOT noticing your consistent ineptitude vs. your big brother. The 70s and 80s are long gone now.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Warrior Parent:

"Without BYU... Utah would not even exist."

Utah existed LONG before our little brother came around. And now, without your big brother's (or TCU's) BCS coattails for you little guys to ride on, your WACish school lost any semblance of relevance. And that's why no relevant conference wants you. You're mid-majors forever.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

poyman (cont.):

"When BYU beat AF and UH both were ranked and again they beat HA in HA [sic]..."

Again, there was nothing inaccurate about my position that AFA and UH finished 8-4 and 7-4 respectively, and UNRANKED!

"The following year BYU played the U of W in the opening game of the season and beat them 28-0...Nuff Said."

That is such a tired, frantic and emotional, "Indy-WACey" argument, and completely devoid of merit. The UWa. team of '84 was the co-Pac-10 Champion, beat #6 Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl, and finished 11-1. The UWa. team of '85 was an unranked 7-5 team that had been depleted of most of their impact players of their prior year's team. In other words, it was a totally different team in '85.

And besides, in '85, didn't the Y provide the only win of UTEP's miserable season? So if beating Washington in '85 proves you were better in '84, then doesn't that also mean that losing to UTEP in '85 means they were the true #1 team in the country the year before?

Try actually knowing what you're talking about next time.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

poyman:

I'm not sure why this got censored, but here it is again...

"I have always found that it helps to know what you are talking about in order to be effective in Debate... You fail badly in that catagory... When BYU beat Pitt to open the 2004 season,..."

The cougars didn't play Pitt in '04. And YOU'RE suggesting I'M failing badly?

There was nothing inaccurate about what I said. Pitt WAS a 3-7-1 team back in '84. Teams ranked in the preseason who win only 3 games all year are just as irrelevant as teams winning 3 games all year having never cracked the Top-25. Pitt was exposed as overrated. There's no way to spin that. Although I see you've tried.

"BYU also beat Michigan in the Holiday Bowl who went on to win the National Championship the following year..."

Again, there was nothing inaccurate about my position that the Michigan team the cougs barely eked out a win against WAS a 6-6 team down to playing their 4th sring QB. And it really DOES help to know what one is talking about. Oklahoma won the '85 National Championship. Not Michigan.

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