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Published: Thursday, Feb. 21 2013 11:55 a.m. MST

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Ben H
Clearfield, UT

Nice argument. Guess how many times Kansas played a Sunday TV game this season? That's right, it was 0.

And the Big 12 championship game? On a Saturday.

This article is speculation and reading between the lines.

Colleges do not have to play on Sunday, and most of the time, they do not. If the Big 12 really wanted BYU, Sunday play would not be an issue.

Farmington, UT

What's the big deal? Stay independent and continue to read the absolutely hilarious posts by Chris B about the PAC 12 bottom feeders. Life is good.

Lincoln City, OR

I Bleed blue, but I am sorry, those of you who claim that BYU is in a better spot as an Indy in Football and a member of the Catholic 7 or the WCC for Olympic sports are either out of your minds or don't understand the importance of Real Exposure to a College Sports Program...

The Big 12 would give BYU far better Recruiting Capability, a far greater viewership, and tons more money than we will ever make from an ESPN contract...

College Sports is entertainment and the athletes are actors and actresses that either make or break the quality of the show... If you can't entice top athletes to play for you, you will become less competitive and fewer fans will follow you... You won't be able to schedule as well and the Networks will eventually leave you... The quality of coaching will also suffer...

If we were to be honest, since leaving the MWC our sports programs have gotten worse, not better... Football recruiting was very weak this year (zero 5 stars, one 4 star, and a locker room full of 2 stars)... Without Lone Peak HS Basketball would be in the same boat.

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

What's missing in this blog is how football a revenue sport pays for the non-revenue sports that are played on Sundays. Ask yourself how willing would the schools of a conference feel about sharing revenue dollars with another school without their participation and support in the non revenue sports? One of the reasons for inviting BYU to any conference would be their non-revenue sports teams.

Durham, NC

"Utah is getting kicked all over the field and court. Theirs is not an example I am anxious to emulate."

I am a BYU fan as well.... butI don't think any BYU fans should be running around thumping their chest about any of BYUs sports results either. As for example... if you listen to Mike and Mike in the morning.... just how many times is BYU talked about. If sports, for kids that want to go on to the next level, its about exposure. If you not on nationally, you are not getting exposure. How many BYU basketball games were on national TV this year... on a channel that anyone watches.

I think before my fellow BYU fans get to chuffed - they need to realize that outside of Utah which represents less than1 percent of the Nation.... not many people are talking about BYU.

And yes, I agree, college sports should not be played on sundays. Even secularly, everyone needs a day off.

Smart Aleck
Vancouver, WA

While these are legitimate issues, there are easy solutions for all of them. ADs, school presidents and conference administrators acting responsibly can find ways to make conference membership mutually beneficial.

Lone Star Cougar
Plano, TX

@ Chris B.

I believe if you read the Ten Commandments you will find that 4 verses are for the Sabbath Day. Read carefully, understand that God makes it plain that not only do we not work but should do our best to keep others from working. Your point is not solid even though the modern chooses to ignore this commandment and the others.

12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:

14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine a.., nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

Agua Dulce, TX

BYU likes not competing for titles. Let's just face it.

Sandy, UT

@Lone Star Cougar

Also remember, that the traditional Sabbath is actaully Saturday.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@Lone Star and ALL other byu fans:

You STILL aren't answering the question.

If God is the one who decides what is breaking the sabbath, please show me where God said watching a sports game is breaking the sabbath.

What if the man I believe speaks for God(the Pope) says the keeping the sabbath just means in your heart thinking more about God.

Why is the Pope wrong but your church is right?

God never said you cant play sports on Sunday.

Danbury, CT

As much as I might disagree with Chris B. on most posts (and wonder why he cares so much about BYU sports), in this case, we have not handled this issue as we should as BYU/LDS people.

I would just say: Chris, I like your idea of thinking more about God on Sunday. Our way of doing that is to engage in activities (where we have discretion) that allow us to maximize that opportunity. We do that by spending time in church services with our families, doing service and other activities that help others and strengthen our most important relationships. We feel that certain kinds of recreation which we do other days e.g. attending sporting events detracts from that goal.

That is our belief and our particular promise to God to live that way. We invite you and others to try this and see if it doesn't help you and your family in your life. It's your choice. You are not obligated to live that way, nor do we disrespect your personal decisions. We just ask for your respect of our way of life.


@Chrissy B., No one was questioning whether your form of worshipping God on the sabbath day was right or wrong. What I was questioning, and back to my original point, is that it is not up to you to decide how and when to worship God. If it was up to each of us, then we could all do what we wanted with his commandments and justify our actions in following them one way or another. If it isn't clear for you in the Bible, then you need to go to your church leaders for clarification.

And, no, the Bible doesn't just say, keep the sabbath day holy. There are many other passages in the bible that give you an idea as to the types of things you should or should not do on the sabbath, as provided examples by other posters.

If worse comes to worse, and you're not sure what God intended when he asked you to keep the sabbath day holy, I have some additional scriptures and literature that will help clarify it for you. :) Just in case you are interested. :)

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

YGrad fan and all other byu fans:

I began this back and forth by saying God does not care if we go to sports games on Sundays.

You all strongly disagreed.

I'm asking for evidence God has said sports are wrong on Sundays.

Why is this so difficult for you to answer.

I"ll ask again:

Where did God say sports are bad on Sundays?

Where did God say sports are bad on Sundays?

Where did God say sports are bad on Sundays?

Once more:

Where did God say sports are bad on Sundays?


BYUtah Fan is right. If BYU runs an undefeated season they will break into the BCS and the conference schools will want us. And with BYU's schedule it won't take multiple undefeated years like Utah.

Except for Louisville, the only schools to break into the BCS are those that first break into the BCS Bowls and win.

Centerville, UT

Somehow I feel like the article missed the headline a bit. It talks about that BYU will not play on Sunday's and that maybe some TV giants don't like that, but I was expecting a detailed explanation with numbers and figures of the impact. This series of articles has not provided any news to me.

Provo, UT

@Chris B

3rd Nephi 11:29 "For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of acontention is not of me, but is of the bdevil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another."

I love the Utes on BYU's articles.... I feel like some people wait by their computers all day for a chance to attack someone... not cool

In other news, how about them Jazz eh?

Jonathan Eddy
Payson, UT

If I chose not to read any Chris B comments on Sunday, would this be considered a day of rest?

Salt Lake City, UT

". . . Well paid whipping boy . . .?". My understanding is that BYU makes far less from TV revenue than anyone in the PAC 12, BIG 10, BIg 12, SEC or ACC. I'm sure the actual figures could easily be abstracted from public records with the investment of an hour or so. Why don't one of you who believes that BYU is making a lot of money from independence do the research and share with us what you learn.


@Chrissy B., Fine, I was trying to smooth things over, and you continue with your silly remarks. If you insist...where does God say that sports are good on Sundays? You want a scriptural reference for something that doesn't exist, and didn't exist back at the time the Bible was written. So do I. I don't recall God ever saying that it was good to go see a football game on Sundays. Please provide reference.

West Jordan, Utah

BYU will not play on Sundays. It is what it is and has always been. Yet I knew once this article hit the news we would have all the attackers and defenders in a frenzy.

Sunday play is a central topic when considering conference affiliation. But rather BYU stays independent or not, they are not playing on Sundays.

Now I get somewhat annoyed with the schedule comparisons between Utah and BYU but if I were BYU, I would have a lot of reason to stay independent.

You get ESPN (exposure), control your BYU TV stuff (utilizing your assets), play good match ups (despite the bad ones), will go bowling even if you win less than half your tougher games once the lesser schedule kicks in (next year an exception though), and aren't controlled by a conference telling you were you fit in.

I understand many BYU wanting in the Big 12, but lashing out at Holmoe without understanding the parameters he works with is ignorant. But it's no different than fans everywhere wanting their coaches and GMs fired all to often.

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