Published: Thursday, Feb. 21 2013 12:00 a.m. MST
This article rings true. We worry about water boarding 3 people while in the
meantime we are actively torturing our citizens in prison. Neither is
humane. We are not a humane society, we may have humane people in our society,
but they are not in control.
The purpose of jell is to get bad guys out and away from people. I can't
understand that the guys in jell have a better life than they had before they
got there. Does any one care that their there.I for one am glad the bad guy
isn't around. If thees guys are so bad their in solitude, why not put them
to sleep, forever. but How can a guy be not guilty and get years in jell for
contempt of Cort. What a wast of a lot of money.
What a sad, confused society we have become in America. We worry about felons
"rights" but think nothing of killing unborn children by the millions!
We worry about waterboarding terrorist thugs but think killing innocent people
by collateral damage with drone strikes is just fine. We are a country that has
lost its soul and morality. We are a declining society like ancient Rome. May
God forgive us!
So Mountainman, when did this decline start? When we killed innocent women and
children at broken knee, or when we killed innocent children in Mexico, or maybe
that was all ok and it didn't start until Selma...no that seems ok. How
about the slaughter of children in Vietnam..umm I'm sure it traces back to
the invasion of Iraq at least..no..Roe v Wade..huh?
@ Pragamtistferlife. Yes and at Waco,Texas and at Ruby Ridge too! Roe v Wade is
perhaps the most evil of them all! Calling it a "choice" doesn't
make it less evil!
George & Mountanman,The treatment of prisoners matters if you expect
them to integrate back into society at the end of their sentence. If the penal
system further damages people and makes that impossible, we all pay. So if you
simply want hotheaded revenge, George Will is saying that you've got it. If
you want rehabilitation, it looks like we aren't getting there.
The problem is we have things like this happen in America. Check out the story
of Mark DeFriest! Torture in America is real and legal. The Life
and Mind of Mark DeFriest - Trailer for a Documentary Film
"The purpose of jell is to get bad guys out and away from people. I
can't understand that the guys in jell have a better life than they had
before they got there. Does any one care that their there.I for one am glad the
bad guy isn't around. If thees guys are so bad their in solitude, why not
put them to sleep, forever. but How can a guy be not guilty and get years in
jell for contempt of Cort. What a wast of a lot of money."In
what language is that written?
I agree with George Will. Our goal with convicts should be, as Joseph Smith
said, to treat them kindly, teach them correct principles, and show them a
better way. It's the only thing that works. (DNews subhead editor,
there's no such word as "torturous.")
Let me play devils advocate. Support a terrorist leader is in one of our
prisons. Since he is a leader, on his say so other terrorists will attack us.Yes solitary confinement for life is hard, but it is preferable to a
supermarket bombing.Perhaps a middle ground is that trusted
Americans, could visit him.
It does seem that at present, solitary confinement is way overdone. Not the
half-hour timeout by any means. Intelligently done, there is a place for limited
solitary confinement. But, let's face it, our penal system, like many other
things in the US, is messed-up - contorted because we, as a country, are losing
our way. The powers that be decided they know better than the Judeo-Christian
basis of our culture. They say, "We don't need it- we can do
better" And so, here we are in a big fat mess.
repubs, history lesson:VIII"Excessive bail shall not
be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments
inflicted."The Founding Fathers were pretty clear about torture
and solitary confinement. It's not "ok" just because your president
said it was.
Sorry Mountainman... not buying that we are a society in decay. If we take away
women's rights and reinstitute slavery then you will start making sense.
Until then... not so much.
Tell the men and women who staff the jails and prisons around this nation that
"Supermax" facilities are cruel or inhuman. They can tell you about
having feces and urine thrown on them or being assaulted because prisoners had
access to weapons. The men inhabiting a Supermax prison earned their way there.
Leaders of terrorist cells; Mass murderers; Gang leaders. They got there the
old-fashioned way: THEY EARNED IT! Rehabilitation? Really? You think that those
guys can be rehabilitated? There has to be something there to rehabilitate first
and an in-depth look into their lives will show anyone that rehabilitation is a
pipe dream. George F. Will needs to spend a week in a prison yard working as a
guard before he opens his pie hole on a subject he has no practical knowledge
about. Just my 2 cents.
If I were to go to prison, solitary confinement is where I would want to be.
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