RG- I know, I did too. The reason I played cowboys and indians was because I
thought indians got a bad rap in movies so I was always the indian trying to get
my friends who were cowboys. I loved playing cops because I wanted to be Starsky
and Hutch. I really wanted the car!
The examples in this news story have just gone too far especially with children
that young. Reminds me of when I got into serious trouble at the school as a
school employee for having a Swiss Army Knife pocket knife attached to my key
chain. Yup, it was the model with the fork and toothpick & I'd just
gotten back from a camping trip as we are a camp happy family. Sometimes the
schools really go overboard.I also question the schools calling the police
on these young people or having police officers in the schools. They never call
Mom or Dad before arresting a child or teen (even in Utah) and the entire school
sees the perpetrator walk of the police through the hallways. I just see more
and more kids in Utah ending up in the juvenile justice system and a lot more
drop outs. Just fewer kids to educate in our strapped state.
@Catcrazed: I like cats too. But my main point is that neither I (and I
don't think anyone else) said no teachers have common sense, or that all
teachers lack it. I hope my remarks were not taken that way.@joseywales: Almost all little kids, especially boys, play cops/robbers. It is
a natural part of childhood. I bet if you poll 100 men, most of them did it as
kids. Or poll 100 male senators, same result. Or poll 100 LDS general
authorities, same result. There is nothing wrong or abnormal about it, unless
taken to extremems.
JMHO,That is why we can't let ANY of our rights be INFRINGED.
For all of you who are writing negative things about the administration and the
teachers about this incident, you need to know that the law does not allow for
common sense. The laws governing zero tolerance do not allow an administrator
or teacher to decide whether the threat is real or not. There is a hearing
process after the initial suspension that allows common sense to enter the
picture, but until then the government decides (in this case state government.)
Imagine our future in other areas when we give up our freedoms to the State and
Federal governments. Just scary.
So it's ok to watch violence on TV and movies according to Hollywood. It
doesn't harm you or make you want to act it out. It's ok to play
violent video games according to the gaming industry. It doesn't make you
want to act it out. So why then, are these little kids acting out shooting and
cops and robbers and throwing grenades. They all can't be from parents who
are police or military right?Don't get me wrong, I think
punishing a kid for play acting is ridiculous. But if you are going to punish
the kids for it, then you better get to the root cause of why are they doing it.
Zero tolerance is simple laziness on the part of authorities. I served on a
school board for a number of years and we went CASE BY CASE, and looked at ALL
the facts before making a decision. There were cases where we KNEW the student
posed no risk and that expelling would do more harm than good and perhaps even
create a scenario where the child would be WORSE off or pose a greater risk
after an expulsion. These kids are humans, not robots. If we do everything we
can to show kids they can't be trusted, they will do everything they can to
prove we're right.
As a teacher, I would like to know where the common sense is to the adults
involved in these unfortunate events. However, in our sue happy society it is a
case of schools trying to prevent lawsuits and liberal ideology going amok. The
two mixed together does not paint a picture of intelligence.
As a teacher, I have to agree that suspensions like these make no sense. To
generalize that all teachers have no common sense is ludicrous, and I am tired
of that nonsense. It is time to swing the pendulum toward the middle...and that
goes for both sides.
We are the problem, not the kids. Zero tolerance for zero tolerance!
zero tolerance = zero brains
I am so glad that GOD does not apply "zero tolerance" policies to me.
re RGBuena Vista, VAI couldn't have said it better
First try denied; I'll try again. The article missed the recent story of
the 7 yr old playing by himself, who threw a pretend grenade at "bad
guys." No other kids even involved. And not a toy grenade; just an imaginary
one. The message this sends to kids is that adults lack common sense. In this
crazy world, common sense is more important than ever and seems to be
disappearing. I believe that no-tolerance policies and their advocates are more
dangerous to society by far than these little kids could ever be. I recommend
applying zero tolerance to all those who advocate it. If they ever speed 56 in
a 55 zone, they should receive the highest fine possible. If they do it again
they should be locked up. Maybe that is the only way to convince them of the
damage they are doing.
To "Truthseeker" right now California, Minnesota, and Misouri have
proposed laws to confiscate guns.See "Missouri Dems Introduce
Alarming Gun Confiscation Bill Giving Law-Abiding Gun Owners 90 Days to Turn in
Certain Firearms or Become Felons" at the Blaze."Minnesota
Democrats pushing gun confiscation bill similar to Missouri's" at the
Examiner"Gun Confiscation Bill Proposed in California: ‘We
Can Save Lives’" at the Blaze.
This is probably the clue of why this current generation is becoming so
emotionally messed up. As a child we used to play army, cowboys and indians and
fought each other as gladiators. Childhood roll playing is part of being a child
and starts the us on the road to the realities of adulthood. Unfortunately,
childhood is being interrupted by adults who think they have better ideas of
what being a child should be. It's ironic that as these childhood games
have become so politically incorrect our current generation has no idea what
proper social behavior is and how to control it's rage.
Zero tolerance means that teachers have ZERO common sense.Talk about
a corrupt system where people are afraid to think.These are the
people that we have teaching our kids? We are creating a nation of dependent
pawns that will be easily manipulated by the government or the new world
leadership that the teachers union will help put into place.All you
"good" teachers out there who are silent over this kind of thing are
just as guilty as the teachers who follow this policy.Use your own
brain to solve a problem and teach our kids to do the same.
Re:cjb"Some states attempt defend their schools by expelling little
kids who draw a picture of a gun, imposing a gun free zone around their schools,
and when this doesn't work, they try to pass laws to take guns from law
abiding people."Take guns from law abiding people? How so?
I've not seen/heard of legislation proposing to confiscate guns from
"law abiding" people. Maybe you could be more specific.
Common sense does not apply in government at any level. Liberals and the
teacher's unions have pretty much destroyed the schools in this country.
It may take a century before society can recover.
Some states attempt defend their schools by expelling little kids who draw a
picture of a gun, imposing a gun free zone around their schools, and when this
doesn't work, they try to pass laws to take guns from law abiding people.
A gun brought by a child to school needs intervention and discussion. The
incidents mentioned in this article are ridiculous, and an abuse of authority.
Actions like these cause many people to be concerned about giving authority to
school officials and others. Zero tolerance school drug laws often fall into the
same category. Punishing kids for having aspirin or cold medicine. "To dismiss or overlook an incident that results in any member of our
school community feeling unsafe or threatened would be irresponsible and
negligent."That is an excuse for the liberal elite to do
whatever they want.
So-called zero tolerance policies are proof positive that none of us are as dumb
as all of us.Why can't we have zero tolerance policies for
drunk driving? Drive drunk, automatically get locked up for a year and license
revoked for lifetime.