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Utah Jazz: Report suggests Jazz, Clippers talking Eric Bledsoe-for-Paul Millsap trade

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  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Feb. 20, 2013 11:57 p.m.

    on the bright side...lets face it...we no longer have a has been john starks...Danny Manning...tom gugliota and Donyell Marshall...let's just hope it doesnt happen again...

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:14 p.m.

    Kakashi: Yeah, I know what you mean. It reminds me alot of the Stockton/Malone days and those were just awful. (Hopefully you caught my sarcasm)

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Feb. 19, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    let's face it...with the coaching staff that we have...we are an average team...that is one and done in the playoffs...we have depth and talent...and they cant use it efficiently...read the interview of Mccallum with Phil Jackson...Jackson mentioned why popovich is winning even without duncan playing...and how predictable the offense was before popovich changed it during their championship run...Jackson said...the spurs has a lot of scoring options...they dont just dump it on duncan...they had a lot of options and would give you different looks each time...and that's what we lack...with our ultra predictable offense...i even call the play while im half-asleep looking away from the TV...i'd say to my kid brother...PG dish to wing...wing pass to jefferson...wing will cut...getting Al a somewhat iso on the post...where he will try to put up a shot...if it fails...kicks out to PG...that happens 90% of the time....i missed the days where we have loads of screens and passes and working the pick and roll to perfection...

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    I'm pretty sure the DN comment board police have me on a shorter leach than the rest of you. If I ever called someone ignorant in my comments they get rejected right away. Come on Deseret News, let me have the same freedom everyone else gets and allow me to also "call them as I see them" sometimes.:)

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    No Comment: If you're going to rely on stats for your argument, you only display your ignorance.

    Earl Watson leads the league in Assist Ratio (percent of possession that result in an assist) at 50.1. Jamal Tinsley is tie for second with Chris Duhon at 44.7. Chris Paul is 8th at 37.4. Which would you rather have?

    Chris Wilcox leads the league in True Shooting Percentage at .712. Kevin Durrant is fifth at .657. LeBron is tenth (directly behind Nick Collison and Tiago Splitter) at .638. Which would you rather have?

    Al Jefferson is 12th in the league in Value Added at 12th in Estimated Wins added (9.1) (directly ahead of Tim Duncan in both categories). By the way, Millsap is 21st (7.5). They are both tremendous assets to the Jazz.

    You can make stats say anything you want. Bledsoe is a tremendous athlete and tenacious defender. He is often compared to Westbrook around the league. Everybody in the league and the media are high on him. Stack your opinion against everything else and, well, you're worth no more of my attention.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    Wiks/Andy: No informed fan wants to trade just for the sake of trading. The Jazz only make trades designed to improve the team. Their reputation of usually getting the advantage in trades has created wary trade partners. Trading is harder for the Jazz since they won't take bad contracts and won't give away something for nothing.

    For weeks, Jazz fans have proposed the dumbest trades. I've lived in Lakerland and Sonic Country. Jazz fans are the most emotional, least intelligent, and most ungrateful.

    If the Jazz get Bledsoe, Jazz fans will be complaining before the playoffs are over. But the benefits of the trade won't be fully realized for 2-3 years. It's a trade for the future just like the D-Will trade. Losing either Millsap or Jefferson will hurt the Jazz this year. The trade assures an early playoff exit. But it promises deeper runs down the road.

    Some fans don't like the Jazz front office; that's their privilege. But the rest of the league has great respect for the Jazz organization. That speaks more loudly than the barking of the local dogs.

  • no comment New Orleans, LA
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:24 a.m.

    Why is everyone so excited to dump Millsap for another mediocre point guard? Do you really think that this will help the Jazz?

    Bledsoe has career averages of 43% shooting, 30% behind the arc, and a 3.3 to 2.0 assist to TO ratio. For perspective, Earl Watson averages 41% shooting, 33% behind the arc, and 5.3 to 1.8 assist to TO ratio. He is the typical looks-good but plays-bad trade disaster du jour.

    Bledsoe doesn't pass well enough to beat out Tinsley, but he might give Watson some competition for third string.

  • fortydam OREM, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    Millsap hasn't lost his mojo, he is sharing the paint with a guy that needs tons of room to work, forcing Paul's game outside. The games that Boozer and then Jefferson both missed over the years gave Sap the chance to prove he is a 20/ten player, with better defesive skills than Jefferson. I hate to see Sap go, but this trade would help both teams.

  • Little Andy Tremonton, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    You heard it here today. No trades. Sorry folks..

  • John Wicks Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    Lindsey won't do anything. He is the worst GM since Tim Howells. I'd trade Lindsey to the Celtics for Ainge.

  • Jazzledazzle Provo, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 6:49 a.m.

    @ no comment

    If you have ever seen Bledsoe play, I would not read too far into those numbers. He gets limited minutes because of Chris Paul. When he does step onto the court, he makes things happen. More consistent minutes will likely mean more consistent numbers.

    You never know how a player will turn out, but the Jazz need a long term point guard and I don't see a lot of options out there. I think Bledsoe will turn out to be a good player.

  • Palmetto Bug Columbia, SC
    Feb. 19, 2013 6:44 a.m.

    My ideal tradeā€¦

    Jazz get: Pau Gasol, Eric Bledsoe, Ronny Turiaf
    Lakers get: Paul Millsap, Lamar Odom, Raja Bell, and Grant Hill
    Clippers get: Al Jefferson (and probably Jamaal Tinsley or Earl Watson)

    The primary pieces are Gasol, Bledsoe, Milsap, and Jefferson. The other pieces are to make salary caps work.

    Jazz get a franchise center who can lead/mentor the team for two years and a young prospect, Lakers get a perfect complement to Howard and some veteran players, Clippers get the crunch time post player that could put them over the top while only giving up bench players. Through around some draft picks and everyone wins.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Feb. 18, 2013 9:58 p.m.

    @jazzsmack

    i understand that sloan doesnt really develop players that well...but i wouldn't touch humphries...but i do like the draft picks...also...that is what's lacking today...since the main objective of management and owners is continuity...not really a championship...so we could not develop the young guys...because the staff isnt proven in brining out the best of a young guy...if you would notice...the starters are still the vets...even if they are overrated...

    @joe5

    just to add...i am not saying...that AL Jefferson..is a bad player...its just that...in my opinion...he isnt a franchise player...and more often than not...he is a blackhole in the offense...and a defensive liability....its just recently that big Al picked up his game...but overall...i dont want him signing a huge contract for long term...he is just a 2nd or third option at best for me...heck even the wolves gave him for cheap...

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Feb. 18, 2013 9:51 p.m.

    @joe5

    i have been watching all the games of the Jazz this year...and i really dont see much improvement to be honest...he doesnt kick out the ball quick enough...he would still try to shoot it with two defenders in the post...he would still try to do his moves...and would kick it out as a last option...and...if you said the 26 teams would love to have him?...well...in my opinion...i would let them have him...for me...He isnt a go to guy late in a quarter...he isnt a franchise player for me...a second or third option...maybe...but a franchise player he is not...time and time again...with Jefferson in game...the ball rotation...is extremely predictable...his defense is shot..opposing teams love running the pick and roll against him...and if he is your cornerstone then good luck with that...i think there are other players better at him at his position....and i can only say that he is a temporary fix...a different coach may change it...but right now...the offense is predictable with him...and that is counter productive...

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    Feb. 18, 2013 9:47 p.m.

    millsap turned down the extition because the new cba only allows extition's for three years he can sign 4 or 5 years when his contract is up. that is probly why al hasent signed a extition . both will probley be signing there last big contract. so they probley would like it to be as long as they can get. millsap has said he likes it in utah and would like to stay. big al has said all along he loves boston and still has a house there. if utah dosen't trade him i have a preety good idea where he will be next year. and i have a preety good idea were the jazz will be no jefferson no millsap. kanter and favors and who ever they can over pay to intice to come to utah to back up favors and kanter. who ever that would be wont be as good as al and millsap or other teams will try and get them. if they are as good they will cost the same. so as they say the future is really looking bright for the jazz. favors and bledsoe will have to play there butts off with no backups.

  • Jazzsmack Holladay, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 6:39 p.m.

    As the celtics and spurs and portland and other great teams, past and now, have proven you can find very good point guards mid to late in first round.

    There is no need to waste trading for a point guard especially one that can't consistantly shoot the three.

    The humphries trade woould be much better deal,

    Sloan under-utilized and never developed Humphries, he has shown in NJ that he is good pf.

    But if the jazz are serious about winning a championship you need great players in the SG and C positions, even a great small forward would help.

    Since they are incapable of trading for those kind of players like the lakers, celtics and other champioship teams can, they need draft picks.

    Trades for picks make much better sense.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 5:49 p.m.

    Kakashi: I guess we aren't watching the same game. Jefferson has proven himself a willing pupil. In some ways, he has completely remade himself as a player with the Jazz. And passing out of the post is a prime example.

    1) He passes to a wing who moves the ball around the perimeter to the opposite side of the court. Jazz end up with a clean 3-pt attempt. No assist but he triggered it.
    2) He passes out of a double team, repositions, and gets the ball back. Usually, he ends up with a good shot. No assist but he triggered it.
    3) His assists are up almost 50% with interior passes to Millsap, Favors, or a teammate diving to the hoop.

    The great thing is he can still score against a double or triple team late in the shot clock. The Jazz have no other go-to guy.

    His defense is dramatically improved against the pick and roll. He was awful when he arrived. Now he is credible. He gets more deflections than before. He's not perfect but he's not awful.

    The real proof is that about 26 teams would love to have him.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Feb. 18, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    @joe5

    interesting input on Big Al...yes he has a lot of post moves...and is a great post player offensively...but...if you have been watching...its the last 3 -5 secs of the clock that Jefferson usually gives the ball up...he is consistently a black hole on offense...and a marginal defensive player...i would trade him in a heartbeat if it were up to me...he is simply not a franchise player...

  • no comment New Orleans, LA
    Feb. 18, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    Are you nuts?

    Bledsoe has career averages of 43% shooting, 30% behind the arc, and a 3.3 to 2.0 assist to TO ratio. For perspective, Earl Watson averages 41% shooting, 33% behind the arc, and 5.3 to 1.8 assist to TO ratio.

    Is Bledsoe an upgrade on our 3rd string point guard?

  • Iowa Jazz Fan 2 Cedar Rapids, IA
    Feb. 18, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    ESPN's Marc Stein says the Clippers, though willing to talk, are still reluctant to part with Bledsoe, because they do not have Chris Paul locked up, and Paul doesn't need to decide to stay with the Clips or not until July. If he walks in July, and they have already traded Bledsoe, then they are in deep trouble.

    If I were the Clippers, I would not risk that.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    Carnack: I love Millsap but there are a couple reasons I prefer to keep Jefferson over Millsap.

    - Millsap was offered an extension last off-season and turned it down. There are two possible reasons for that: 1) He wants to go somewhere else so we'll lose him anyway; or 2) he wants to maximize his income which will probably price him out of the Jazz' range and we'll lose him anyway. Remember he signed with Portland the last time he was a free agent. I don't sense an overwhelming desire to stay in Utah. Jefferson, on the other hand, has given only positive vibes. It's true he could be priced out of the Jazz' range but I think he likes it here and might re-sign with the Jazz at a discount.

    - There is no evidence that Millsap makes his teammates better. Jefferson, on the other hand, demands attention in the post making the perimeter guys more open. And I've already talked about his tutoring the young bigs on post play. He definitely makes his teammates better.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    I'd prefer we keep Millsap and give them Big Al for Bledsoe.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    Louisiana Man: If a coach has been working with Millsap for years, he didn't do much for him. Millsap has moves this year he never had before. My favorite is when he shows the ball and then runs right past the guy to the hoop. That ball-showing is vintage Jefferson. Favors offense is patented Jefferson with more power. Kanter already had good footwork but his spin moves definitely remind the observant fan of Jefferson.

    I've heard Favors and Kanter would be better today if Jefferson and Millsap were gone so they could get the minutes. They would be on the floor but not learning how to play the post. The Jazz have no coach for post players and haven't had for years. Without Jefferson, these guys would be progressing like Fesenko (that is; not at all). The Jazz finally have a guy who know how to play the post and is willing to teach it to the young guys and people want him gone.

    By the way, I'm a big fan of Millsap also. I'd love to keep both. But Bledsoe is worth parting with one of them.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    If the trade goes through (Millsap & Bell for Bledsoe & Butler), they Jazz still have six free agents at the end of the year. That's six open roster spots.

    The six free agents are: Mo, Foye, Tinsley, Watson, Carroll, Jefferson

    For their 4-6 players they need to get to a 13-15 man roster, I'd like to see:
    - Resign Foye
    - Resign Carroll
    - Resign Jefferson

    Now it becomes a little more dicey because there are options:
    - Use at least one of their two first round draft choices on a PF/C (the other can be the best athlete available); or
    - Trade both first round draft choices to move up and draft a PF/C; or
    - Do a sign-and-trade for Mo combined with one or both first round draft choices (if that's legal with the complicated trading rules in the NBA) to move into a top-5 draft position

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    Feb. 18, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    1. i doubt they got there foot work watching al. they hired a coach to work with them on that he has been working with millsap for years. it must be working because you noticed. 2. i hope they do trade him you never know what you had untill it is gone. the only one on the jazz that comes close to millsap's effert is carrol. i guess you forget millsap two banged up knees hobbling up and down the court. other night finger knocked out put it back play on. any one else out for a week. gordon out what 9 games strained shoplder i imagine millsap's sholder get strained nightley. probly has lost a little mojo from playing hurt all the time. but he heard all the fans and blogers down on boz so he gutted it out probly damiging his knees would be my guess. never fear i imagine favors will pick up the slack.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    With this trade, the Jazz might have too many riches except, ironically, at the bigs. Here is a potential rotation:

    3-4 man guard rotation: Bledsoe, Foye, Burks (Mo would be in rotation when he returns from injury making it a four man rotation for two guard slots. All four can play either guard position)

    Guard bench: Tinsley, Watson, Murphy

    2 man SF rotation: Hayward and Butler

    SF bench: Carroll and Marvin

    3 man PF/C rotation: Jefferson, Favors, Kanter

    PF bench: Evans

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    If this is serious, the Jazz must be livid that it leaked. The Jazz protect their players from rumors and a leak like this could even be a deal-breaker.

    To make salaries match, the Clips will need to include Butler, Odom, or Jordan (who supposedly is at odds with Clippers management). I don't see Jordan unless the deal is for AJ instead of Millsap. If I were the Clippers, I'd want to unload Odom because of age and energy but they are apparently pleased with his recent performance improvements. It looks like Butler.

    Jazz may be able to throw in someone so their roster stays at 15. Bell would be ideal but it could be any of the low paid players (Murphy, Evans, Tinsley, Watson).

    If Millsap goes, I think it says the Jazz want to retain AJ. That's smart. Favors is ready for prime time. Kanter isn't. More than that, AJ has been the best thing to happen to Favors, Kanter, and even Millsap. All three have dramatically improved footwork and ball fakes which apparently comes directly from AJ working with them in practice. Game experience doesn't provide what good practice time can provide.

  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    Feb. 18, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    It would be hard to see Milsap in another uniform, but if they offer us Bledsoe they should take it. You can trade for Bledsoe and whoever has an expiring contract from LA. If they get it done, we have Bledsoe, Burks, Hayward, Favors and Kanter future starting 5. I like that!

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 8:25 a.m.

    This makes more sense than trading Millsap for Humphries. I doubt the Clippers would have trouble resigning Millsap next year because everyone wants to play in L.A. anyway and he would probably rather really be there than stay in Utah truth be told. I would support this trade but I really doubt it will happen. It seems than whenever the Jazz make a trade it's never one that's being rumored and more often something unexpected.

  • -Gilchrist-Kidd- Baton Rouge, LA
    Feb. 18, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    They should do this trade.

    Clippers Receives: Paul Millsap, Ronnie Price + Portland's 2 Second Round Picks + Cash

    Trail Blazers Receives: Caron Butler, Alec Burks + Jazz's First Round Pick (Via Golden State, top 6 protected)

    Jazz Receives: Wesley Matthews, Eric Bledsoe

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    Feb. 18, 2013 5:28 a.m.

    The Clipper announcers like Bledsoe a lot. I'm guessing he would be playing more minutes than Mo Williams if both had still been with the team and the Clippers had not picked up Chris Paul. I think that Paul Millsap needs to be moved this year, but I will sure miss him as a fan. A trade for a point guard this year makes good sense since the Golden State pick that the Jazz will get in the upcoming draft might not be better than number 18-20 and the Jazz might not be considering Burks as a long-term PG.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Feb. 18, 2013 12:37 a.m.

    @WhatsInItForMe

    i agree with you with Millsap losing some of his mojo...he still plays hard...but there are times where in..his play is sub par to the millsap we know...especially if he doesnt get involve much in the offense...Eric Bledsoe may be the PG of the future we are waiting for...now the jazz needs to unload the blackhole on offense which is Al Jefferson...so we could go back to an offense where there are a lot of screens and passes...to open up guys...and i hope they change the coach as well...Nate Mcmillan is available...Alvin Gentry...i think we need someone like Vogel to lead the team...we need someone young ambitious but with coaching talent and direction...for us to go back to being contenders...not pretenders

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 18, 2013 12:31 a.m.

    With Bledsoe's contract salary and years remaining, it makes sense to trade Millsap if the Clippers feel strongly that they can get Millsap to resign (and at a price they feel worth it).

    Yes it would be tough to say goodbye to Millsap. But with eight free agents and possible new contracts in need of a raise against the salary cap, the Jazz would be well served to get Bledsoe.

    I don't know if Mo Willimas comes back. His contract is also up and this is the second time he has hurt his thumb severely in the last few years. Maybe that drives down his value, and the Jazz could afford both PGs (Bledsoe & Williams) who can play combo guard minutes. That said the Jazz have Burks and Hayward who are under contract as well. So eight free agents is tough, but so are the contracts left at crucial positions to consider relative to the Jazz having so much untapped young potential type talent.

    The Jazz need to sign the right guys, let the right guys go, replace them. Develop who they have, trade well, and draft well in this small market. Welcome to the NBA.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Feb. 18, 2013 12:30 a.m.

    i would like this trade...only if there is another team involved...so that the salaries would match...because i dont want us to get salaries of players that we really dont intend to have in the future...probably like Matt Barnes...bledsoe would give us an athletic PG...but im not sure about his treys though...and i am also not sure if he is a pass first PG...or a westbrook type PG...but i am high on him...ever since last year...i've been wanting the jazz to trade CJ for him...lol...i think another team needs to be involved...and we need to get another young player to complement our core of Kanter Favors and Hayward...if this happens..i am hoping that Favors and Kanter would get huge minutes to develop...and by next year...play as starters...i would probably make a move on Sacramento..Orlando or Milwaukee...and trade big al to them...for either Thomas Robinson...Nikola Vucevic and/or John Henson...for Possible backups to our bigs...+ their 1st round picks...this would force Corbin to play our core

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    Feb. 17, 2013 11:44 p.m.

    Make it happen!

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    Feb. 17, 2013 10:58 p.m.

    It seems like Mo has hardly played this season with the thumb injury. Bledsoe seems like a good addition, but Millsap is a sentimental favorite of so many Jazz fans. That being said, I think Millsap has one foot out the door. Millsap has recovered from his slump and is playing harder, but either he or Al need to move aside for Favors and Kanter to get more playing time. Al doesn't seem a likely trade option, Paul might be the next best option.

    This all being said, it seems rare that when the Jazz do trade someone, you don't hear about it until it happens for sure, i.e. D-will.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Feb. 17, 2013 11:00 p.m.

    I'm certain the Jazz would likely want to make the trade. But for the Clippers, it's a bit of a risk. Why? Because there is no guarantee that Paul will want to re-sign with them after his contract ends. The downside is that Paul walks after his contract ends, and they lose a young, athletic point guard in the process.

    I hate the thought of losing Millsap, but the chances are pretty high the Jazz are going to lose him any way. His agent is going to be demanding big money for his next contract ... way too much, in my opinion, for the Jazz to stomach.

    If the Clippers are willing, I say the Jazz should pull the trigger on the trade.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Feb. 17, 2013 10:42 p.m.

    Good idea. Having both Eric Bledsoe & Mo Williams should give no let-down at PG during a game. Mo has 7 years on Eric, so could basically mentor him as his replacement. Remember that it took revered Stockton til his 4th year to become the starter over Green.

    I like Watson & Tinsley as backups when there's no other option, and would see keeping one of them as the 3rd PG. They're just not starters that can win games against any competition all year long, even though they're doing nicely so far this year. But they're not as impactive as Eric & Mo. And, you DO need depth at that position.

    I think Millsap has lost his mojo. So wouldn't feel that bad about seeing him go, especially for a young trey-shooting PG.