on the bright side...lets face it...we no longer have a has been john
starks...Danny Manning...tom gugliota and Donyell Marshall...let's just
hope it doesnt happen again...
Kakashi: Yeah, I know what you mean. It reminds me alot of the Stockton/Malone
days and those were just awful. (Hopefully you caught my sarcasm)
let's face it...with the coaching staff that we have...we are an average
team...that is one and done in the playoffs...we have depth and talent...and
they cant use it efficiently...read the interview of Mccallum with Phil
Jackson...Jackson mentioned why popovich is winning even without duncan
playing...and how predictable the offense was before popovich changed it during
their championship run...Jackson said...the spurs has a lot of scoring
options...they dont just dump it on duncan...they had a lot of options and would
give you different looks each time...and that's what we lack...with our
ultra predictable offense...i even call the play while im half-asleep looking
away from the TV...i'd say to my kid brother...PG dish to wing...wing pass
to jefferson...wing will cut...getting Al a somewhat iso on the post...where he
will try to put up a shot...if it fails...kicks out to PG...that happens 90% of
the time....i missed the days where we have loads of screens and passes and
working the pick and roll to perfection...
I'm pretty sure the DN comment board police have me on a shorter leach than
the rest of you. If I ever called someone ignorant in my comments they get
rejected right away. Come on Deseret News, let me have the same freedom everyone
else gets and allow me to also "call them as I see them" sometimes.:)
No Comment: If you're going to rely on stats for your argument, you only
display your ignorance.Earl Watson leads the league in Assist Ratio
(percent of possession that result in an assist) at 50.1. Jamal Tinsley is tie
for second with Chris Duhon at 44.7. Chris Paul is 8th at 37.4. Which would you
rather have?Chris Wilcox leads the league in True Shooting
Percentage at .712. Kevin Durrant is fifth at .657. LeBron is tenth (directly
behind Nick Collison and Tiago Splitter) at .638. Which would you rather
have?Al Jefferson is 12th in the league in Value Added at 12th in
Estimated Wins added (9.1) (directly ahead of Tim Duncan in both categories). By
the way, Millsap is 21st (7.5). They are both tremendous assets to the Jazz.You can make stats say anything you want. Bledsoe is a tremendous
athlete and tenacious defender. He is often compared to Westbrook around the
league. Everybody in the league and the media are high on him. Stack your
opinion against everything else and, well, you're worth no more of my
Wiks/Andy: No informed fan wants to trade just for the sake of trading. The Jazz
only make trades designed to improve the team. Their reputation of usually
getting the advantage in trades has created wary trade partners. Trading is
harder for the Jazz since they won't take bad contracts and won't give
away something for nothing.For weeks, Jazz fans have proposed the
dumbest trades. I've lived in Lakerland and Sonic Country. Jazz fans are
the most emotional, least intelligent, and most ungrateful.If the
Jazz get Bledsoe, Jazz fans will be complaining before the playoffs are over.
But the benefits of the trade won't be fully realized for 2-3 years.
It's a trade for the future just like the D-Will trade. Losing either
Millsap or Jefferson will hurt the Jazz this year. The trade assures an early
playoff exit. But it promises deeper runs down the road.Some fans
don't like the Jazz front office; that's their privilege. But the rest
of the league has great respect for the Jazz organization. That speaks more
loudly than the barking of the local dogs.
Why is everyone so excited to dump Millsap for another mediocre point guard? Do
you really think that this will help the Jazz?Bledsoe has career
averages of 43% shooting, 30% behind the arc, and a 3.3 to 2.0 assist to TO
ratio. For perspective, Earl Watson averages 41% shooting, 33% behind the arc,
and 5.3 to 1.8 assist to TO ratio. He is the typical looks-good but plays-bad
trade disaster du jour.Bledsoe doesn't pass well enough to beat
out Tinsley, but he might give Watson some competition for third string.
Millsap hasn't lost his mojo, he is sharing the paint with a guy that needs
tons of room to work, forcing Paul's game outside. The games that Boozer
and then Jefferson both missed over the years gave Sap the chance to prove he is
a 20/ten player, with better defesive skills than Jefferson. I hate to see Sap
go, but this trade would help both teams.
You heard it here today. No trades. Sorry folks..
Lindsey won't do anything. He is the worst GM since Tim Howells. I'd
trade Lindsey to the Celtics for Ainge.
@ no commentIf you have ever seen Bledsoe play, I would not read too
far into those numbers. He gets limited minutes because of Chris Paul. When he
does step onto the court, he makes things happen. More consistent minutes will
likely mean more consistent numbers. You never know how a player
will turn out, but the Jazz need a long term point guard and I don't see a
lot of options out there. I think Bledsoe will turn out to be a good player.
My ideal trade…Jazz get: Pau Gasol, Eric Bledsoe, Ronny
TuriafLakers get: Paul Millsap, Lamar Odom, Raja Bell, and Grant HillClippers get: Al Jefferson (and probably Jamaal Tinsley or Earl Watson)The primary pieces are Gasol, Bledsoe, Milsap, and Jefferson. The other
pieces are to make salary caps work.Jazz get a franchise center who
can lead/mentor the team for two years and a young prospect, Lakers get a
perfect complement to Howard and some veteran players, Clippers get the crunch
time post player that could put them over the top while only giving up bench
players. Through around some draft picks and everyone wins.
@jazzsmacki understand that sloan doesnt really develop players that
well...but i wouldn't touch humphries...but i do like the draft
picks...also...that is what's lacking today...since the main objective of
management and owners is continuity...not really a championship...so we could
not develop the young guys...because the staff isnt proven in brining out the
best of a young guy...if you would notice...the starters are still the
vets...even if they are overrated...@joe5just to add...i
am not saying...that AL Jefferson..is a bad player...its just that...in my
opinion...he isnt a franchise player...and more often than not...he is a
blackhole in the offense...and a defensive liability....its just recently that
big Al picked up his game...but overall...i dont want him signing a huge
contract for long term...he is just a 2nd or third option at best for me...heck
even the wolves gave him for cheap...
@joe5i have been watching all the games of the Jazz this year...and
i really dont see much improvement to be honest...he doesnt kick out the ball
quick enough...he would still try to shoot it with two defenders in the
post...he would still try to do his moves...and would kick it out as a last
option...and...if you said the 26 teams would love to have him?...well...in my
opinion...i would let them have him...for me...He isnt a go to guy late in a
quarter...he isnt a franchise player for me...a second or third
option...maybe...but a franchise player he is not...time and time again...with
Jefferson in game...the ball rotation...is extremely predictable...his defense
is shot..opposing teams love running the pick and roll against him...and if he
is your cornerstone then good luck with that...i think there are other players
better at him at his position....and i can only say that he is a temporary
fix...a different coach may change it...but right now...the offense is
predictable with him...and that is counter productive...
millsap turned down the extition because the new cba only allows extition's
for three years he can sign 4 or 5 years when his contract is up. that is
probly why al hasent signed a extition . both will probley be signing there last
big contract. so they probley would like it to be as long as they can get.
millsap has said he likes it in utah and would like to stay. big al has said all
along he loves boston and still has a house there. if utah dosen't trade
him i have a preety good idea where he will be next year. and i have a preety
good idea were the jazz will be no jefferson no millsap. kanter and favors and
who ever they can over pay to intice to come to utah to back up favors and
kanter. who ever that would be wont be as good as al and millsap or other teams
will try and get them. if they are as good they will cost the same. so as they
say the future is really looking bright for the jazz. favors and bledsoe will
have to play there butts off with no backups.
As the celtics and spurs and portland and other great teams, past and now, have
proven you can find very good point guards mid to late in first round.There is no need to waste trading for a point guard especially one that
can't consistantly shoot the three.The humphries trade woould
be much better deal,Sloan under-utilized and never developed
Humphries, he has shown in NJ that he is good pf.But if the jazz are
serious about winning a championship you need great players in the SG and C
positions, even a great small forward would help.Since they are
incapable of trading for those kind of players like the lakers, celtics and
other champioship teams can, they need draft picks.Trades for picks
make much better sense.
Kakashi: I guess we aren't watching the same game. Jefferson has proven
himself a willing pupil. In some ways, he has completely remade himself as a
player with the Jazz. And passing out of the post is a prime example.1) He passes to a wing who moves the ball around the perimeter to the opposite
side of the court. Jazz end up with a clean 3-pt attempt. No assist but he
triggered it.2) He passes out of a double team, repositions, and gets the
ball back. Usually, he ends up with a good shot. No assist but he triggered
it.3) His assists are up almost 50% with interior passes to Millsap,
Favors, or a teammate diving to the hoop.The great thing is he can
still score against a double or triple team late in the shot clock. The Jazz
have no other go-to guy.His defense is dramatically improved against
the pick and roll. He was awful when he arrived. Now he is credible. He gets
more deflections than before. He's not perfect but he's not awful.The real proof is that about 26 teams would love to have him.
@joe5interesting input on Big Al...yes he has a lot of post
moves...and is a great post player offensively...but...if you have been
watching...its the last 3 -5 secs of the clock that Jefferson usually gives the
ball up...he is consistently a black hole on offense...and a marginal defensive
player...i would trade him in a heartbeat if it were up to me...he is simply not
a franchise player...
Are you nuts? Bledsoe has career averages of 43% shooting, 30%
behind the arc, and a 3.3 to 2.0 assist to TO ratio. For perspective, Earl
Watson averages 41% shooting, 33% behind the arc, and 5.3 to 1.8 assist to TO
ratio.Is Bledsoe an upgrade on our 3rd string point guard?
ESPN's Marc Stein says the Clippers, though willing to talk, are still
reluctant to part with Bledsoe, because they do not have Chris Paul locked up,
and Paul doesn't need to decide to stay with the Clips or not until July.
If he walks in July, and they have already traded Bledsoe, then they are in deep
trouble.If I were the Clippers, I would not risk that.
Carnack: I love Millsap but there are a couple reasons I prefer to keep
Jefferson over Millsap.- Millsap was offered an extension last
off-season and turned it down. There are two possible reasons for that: 1) He
wants to go somewhere else so we'll lose him anyway; or 2) he wants to
maximize his income which will probably price him out of the Jazz' range
and we'll lose him anyway. Remember he signed with Portland the last time
he was a free agent. I don't sense an overwhelming desire to stay in Utah.
Jefferson, on the other hand, has given only positive vibes. It's true he
could be priced out of the Jazz' range but I think he likes it here and
might re-sign with the Jazz at a discount.- There is no evidence
that Millsap makes his teammates better. Jefferson, on the other hand, demands
attention in the post making the perimeter guys more open. And I've already
talked about his tutoring the young bigs on post play. He definitely makes his
I'd prefer we keep Millsap and give them Big Al for Bledsoe.
Louisiana Man: If a coach has been working with Millsap for years, he
didn't do much for him. Millsap has moves this year he never had before. My
favorite is when he shows the ball and then runs right past the guy to the hoop.
That ball-showing is vintage Jefferson. Favors offense is patented Jefferson
with more power. Kanter already had good footwork but his spin moves definitely
remind the observant fan of Jefferson.I've heard Favors and
Kanter would be better today if Jefferson and Millsap were gone so they could
get the minutes. They would be on the floor but not learning how to play the
post. The Jazz have no coach for post players and haven't had for years.
Without Jefferson, these guys would be progressing like Fesenko (that is; not at
all). The Jazz finally have a guy who know how to play the post and is willing
to teach it to the young guys and people want him gone.By the way,
I'm a big fan of Millsap also. I'd love to keep both. But Bledsoe is
worth parting with one of them.
If the trade goes through (Millsap & Bell for Bledsoe & Butler), they
Jazz still have six free agents at the end of the year. That's six open
roster spots.The six free agents are: Mo, Foye, Tinsley, Watson,
Carroll, JeffersonFor their 4-6 players they need to get to a 13-15
man roster, I'd like to see:- Resign Foye- Resign Carroll- Resign JeffersonNow it becomes a little more dicey because there
are options:- Use at least one of their two first round draft choices on a
PF/C (the other can be the best athlete available); or- Trade both first
round draft choices to move up and draft a PF/C; or- Do a sign-and-trade
for Mo combined with one or both first round draft choices (if that's legal
with the complicated trading rules in the NBA) to move into a top-5 draft
1. i doubt they got there foot work watching al. they hired a coach to work with
them on that he has been working with millsap for years. it must be working
because you noticed. 2. i hope they do trade him you never know what you had
untill it is gone. the only one on the jazz that comes close to millsap's
effert is carrol. i guess you forget millsap two banged up knees hobbling up and
down the court. other night finger knocked out put it back play on. any one else
out for a week. gordon out what 9 games strained shoplder i imagine
millsap's sholder get strained nightley. probly has lost a little mojo from
playing hurt all the time. but he heard all the fans and blogers down on boz so
he gutted it out probly damiging his knees would be my guess. never fear i
imagine favors will pick up the slack.
With this trade, the Jazz might have too many riches except, ironically, at the
bigs. Here is a potential rotation:3-4 man guard rotation: Bledsoe,
Foye, Burks (Mo would be in rotation when he returns from injury making it a
four man rotation for two guard slots. All four can play either guard
position) Guard bench: Tinsley, Watson, Murphy2 man SF
rotation: Hayward and Butler SF bench: Carroll and Marvin3 man PF/C rotation: Jefferson, Favors, Kanter PF bench: Evans
If this is serious, the Jazz must be livid that it leaked. The Jazz protect
their players from rumors and a leak like this could even be a deal-breaker.To make salaries match, the Clips will need to include Butler, Odom, or
Jordan (who supposedly is at odds with Clippers management). I don't see
Jordan unless the deal is for AJ instead of Millsap. If I were the Clippers,
I'd want to unload Odom because of age and energy but they are apparently
pleased with his recent performance improvements. It looks like Butler.Jazz may be able to throw in someone so their roster stays at 15. Bell would
be ideal but it could be any of the low paid players (Murphy, Evans, Tinsley,
Watson).If Millsap goes, I think it says the Jazz want to retain AJ.
That's smart. Favors is ready for prime time. Kanter isn't. More than
that, AJ has been the best thing to happen to Favors, Kanter, and even Millsap.
All three have dramatically improved footwork and ball fakes which apparently
comes directly from AJ working with them in practice. Game experience
doesn't provide what good practice time can provide.
It would be hard to see Milsap in another uniform, but if they offer us Bledsoe
they should take it. You can trade for Bledsoe and whoever has an expiring
contract from LA. If they get it done, we have Bledsoe, Burks, Hayward, Favors
and Kanter future starting 5. I like that!
This makes more sense than trading Millsap for Humphries. I doubt the Clippers
would have trouble resigning Millsap next year because everyone wants to play in
L.A. anyway and he would probably rather really be there than stay in Utah truth
be told. I would support this trade but I really doubt it will happen. It seems
than whenever the Jazz make a trade it's never one that's being
rumored and more often something unexpected.
They should do this trade.Clippers Receives: Paul Millsap, Ronnie
Price + Portland's 2 Second Round Picks + Cash Trail Blazers
Receives: Caron Butler, Alec Burks + Jazz's First Round Pick (Via Golden
State, top 6 protected) Jazz Receives: Wesley Matthews, Eric Bledsoe
The Clipper announcers like Bledsoe a lot. I'm guessing he would be playing
more minutes than Mo Williams if both had still been with the team and the
Clippers had not picked up Chris Paul. I think that Paul Millsap needs to be
moved this year, but I will sure miss him as a fan. A trade for a point guard
this year makes good sense since the Golden State pick that the Jazz will get in
the upcoming draft might not be better than number 18-20 and the Jazz might not
be considering Burks as a long-term PG.
@WhatsInItForMei agree with you with Millsap losing some of his
mojo...he still plays hard...but there are times where in..his play is sub par
to the millsap we know...especially if he doesnt get involve much in the
offense...Eric Bledsoe may be the PG of the future we are waiting for...now the
jazz needs to unload the blackhole on offense which is Al Jefferson...so we
could go back to an offense where there are a lot of screens and passes...to
open up guys...and i hope they change the coach as well...Nate Mcmillan is
available...Alvin Gentry...i think we need someone like Vogel to lead the
team...we need someone young ambitious but with coaching talent and
direction...for us to go back to being contenders...not pretenders
With Bledsoe's contract salary and years remaining, it makes sense to trade
Millsap if the Clippers feel strongly that they can get Millsap to resign (and
at a price they feel worth it). Yes it would be tough to say goodbye
to Millsap. But with eight free agents and possible new contracts in need of a
raise against the salary cap, the Jazz would be well served to get Bledsoe. I don't know if Mo Willimas comes back. His contract is also up and
this is the second time he has hurt his thumb severely in the last few years.
Maybe that drives down his value, and the Jazz could afford both PGs (Bledsoe
& Williams) who can play combo guard minutes. That said the Jazz have Burks
and Hayward who are under contract as well. So eight free agents is tough, but
so are the contracts left at crucial positions to consider relative to the Jazz
having so much untapped young potential type talent. The Jazz need
to sign the right guys, let the right guys go, replace them. Develop who they
have, trade well, and draft well in this small market. Welcome to the NBA.
i would like this trade...only if there is another team involved...so that the
salaries would match...because i dont want us to get salaries of players that we
really dont intend to have in the future...probably like Matt Barnes...bledsoe
would give us an athletic PG...but im not sure about his treys though...and i am
also not sure if he is a pass first PG...or a westbrook type PG...but i am high
on him...ever since last year...i've been wanting the jazz to trade CJ for
him...lol...i think another team needs to be involved...and we need to get
another young player to complement our core of Kanter Favors and Hayward...if
this happens..i am hoping that Favors and Kanter would get huge minutes to
develop...and by next year...play as starters...i would probably make a move on
Sacramento..Orlando or Milwaukee...and trade big al to them...for either Thomas
Robinson...Nikola Vucevic and/or John Henson...for Possible backups to our
bigs...+ their 1st round picks...this would force Corbin to play our core
Make it happen!
It seems like Mo has hardly played this season with the thumb injury. Bledsoe
seems like a good addition, but Millsap is a sentimental favorite of so many
Jazz fans. That being said, I think Millsap has one foot out the door. Millsap
has recovered from his slump and is playing harder, but either he or Al need to
move aside for Favors and Kanter to get more playing time. Al doesn't seem
a likely trade option, Paul might be the next best option. This all
being said, it seems rare that when the Jazz do trade someone, you don't
hear about it until it happens for sure, i.e. D-will.
I'm certain the Jazz would likely want to make the trade. But for the
Clippers, it's a bit of a risk. Why? Because there is no guarantee that
Paul will want to re-sign with them after his contract ends. The downside is
that Paul walks after his contract ends, and they lose a young, athletic point
guard in the process.I hate the thought of losing Millsap, but the
chances are pretty high the Jazz are going to lose him any way. His agent is
going to be demanding big money for his next contract ... way too much, in my
opinion, for the Jazz to stomach.If the Clippers are willing, I say
the Jazz should pull the trigger on the trade.
Good idea. Having both Eric Bledsoe & Mo Williams should give no let-down at
PG during a game. Mo has 7 years on Eric, so could basically mentor him as his
replacement. Remember that it took revered Stockton til his 4th year to become
the starter over Green.I like Watson & Tinsley as backups when
there's no other option, and would see keeping one of them as the 3rd PG.
They're just not starters that can win games against any competition all
year long, even though they're doing nicely so far this year. But
they're not as impactive as Eric & Mo. And, you DO need depth at that
position.I think Millsap has lost his mojo. So wouldn't feel
that bad about seeing him go, especially for a young trey-shooting PG.