Why is it that ignorance, greed, and envy hiding behind proponents of socialism?
Socialism is Anti-God at its core. It is achieves 'charity' by
compulsion, an oxymoron if there ever was one. Charity can only be administered
by those who freely give of their substance, which blesses both receiver and
giver. Government, on the other hand, compels and redistributes, thus reducing
the indigent to a beggar requesting assistance from the equivalent of an
impersonal object, hardly a charitable act. Evan those who hide their contempt
of the poor by allowing government to redistribute his wealth is not being
charitable. Socialism is not the answer to anything and at its core is against
God's way of blessing the poor.
UT Brit.. I for one noticed how the Brits celebrated their national health care
system at the olympics. I heard nothing but "the sounds of silence"
from the right wing on that demonstration. The right wing does not understand
that there are certain services that are best handled on a collective public
basis and that health care bill paying is one of them.
Read the Constitution including the section about lawful money.
The humane thing to do is get to get out of the welfare business and allow
Charity to take over,which becomes even more problematic with the an ignorance
populous that believes that more government will bring more charity! Unleash the
free market and a belief in humanity's best to provide charity. Return to
God, instead of Godless Socialism, for a stronger America. Obama is a socialist
and far too many Americans are walking down the same path. Edmund
Burke, the great British political philosopher, warned of the threat of economic
equality. He said, A perfect equality will indeed be
produced—that is to say, equal wretchedness, equal beggary, and on the
part of the petitioners, a woeful, helpless, and desperate disappointment. Such
is the event of all compulsory equalizations. They pull down what is above; they
never raise what is below; and they depress high and low together beneath the
level of what was originally the lowest.Educate yourselves America
if you want a future worth living in!
@RedshirtBecause the US health care system is a disaster. You cant
apply free market principles when it comes to health care.The US has
the least regulated and supposedly open system in the first world. It also
spends twice as much per person and has worse results for nearly every
discernible metric.Every other first world country has managed it
Redshirt. What makes Americans so incapable of doing the same? Please try and
answer without talking about American exceptionalism.
To "UT Brit" the US isn't setting up a taxpayer funded healthcare
system. THey are setting up a taxpayer funded health insurance system. The IRS
has found that for the government to provide health insurance equal to what the
private companies provide, the cheapest plan will be $20,000. The government
costs more to do the same thing that private companies can do.The
big question is why would you want a government running healthcare when they
can't do simple things like balance a budget, or prevent wasting and losing
healthcare money at 2 times the rate of private companies?
But to the broader issue, how health care should be provided. Health care is
more a social issue than a commercial one. Health care requires a socialist
sollution. Instead we are trying to solve the health care crisis by serving a
variety of private interests. This is like squareing the circle.
Eric, the expansion of Medicaid is not humane. It is the State, by force or the
threat of force, robbing from one group of people and giving to another. Nothing
the state does is humane. People, acting on their own, voluntarily, commit
humane acts. Government is force. Now, if a local church or other non-government
agency wants to establish a fund to help people without insurance, that is
humane.The federal government does not pay 100% of the expansion.
We, the people, pay 100% of the expansion. And then, when the ratio changes to
90%, that'll be an extra 10% that's taken by the local robbers.Oh, how cold and heartless I must be. These people are SUFFERING. Yes
they are. I believe I should help. However, I don't believe that help
should come by way of a government agent threatening me with the loss of life,
liberty, or property. And, when all the layers of velvet are removed,
Eric's cry for humanity administered by the government, is enforced by a
Re:VSTThe figure for Obamacare you cite is gross cost--not net
cost.The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates the Affordable
Care Act will have a net savings in comparison to there being no bill. The CBO
and Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) now estimate the insurance coverage
provisions of the ACA will have a net decrease in federal deficits of $2 billion
over the 2012-2021 period
Single payer system is the answer. We're already spending more than enough
to make it work. We can include everyone. Bankrupt no one.
Sounds to me like thinkin man and mm are advocating a single payer system! I
knew you'd come around. Single payer systems are cheaper, more efficient,
and better. Get rid of the for profit insurance nonsense. Tell them to get real
@mountainmanThat is precisely my point. The reason why taxes are so high
here is to pay for their decadent pensions. Their lobbyists in Sacramento are
essentially the robber barons of our time.
@ Morpunkt. You are right, most of my neighbors are former Californians. I
frequently ask them why they left California to live here. Typical response:
escape from high taxes, the school systems, pollution and crime. I get along
with them well and welcome them here!
The core argument in the article is that since the Federal Govenment is going to
give us all this free money, we would be stupid to not take it.This
is exactly how the federal government is currently ruining our education system.
Local districts can tap into a large reserve of funds, if they only conform to
the guidelines dictacted by the federal government. What we end up
with are bad educational practices pushed by people who have no connection to
the distinct needs and desires of the local parents and students. All funded by
... oh yea, us. Or more realistically, by our children's children's
children.Nothing is free, not even free healthcare. If Utah
capitulates to the federal bribe, doesn't that make us co-conspirators in
the crime being committed against our posterity?
I've read that much of the 1.5 billion will provide health care to those
here illegally, once Obama care kicks in.
I agree: Utah needs to accept the Medicaid Expansion!
@Thinkin\' Man:"Do away with the middleman". If by this
you mean have a single payer system, I agree with you. You also say we should
open insurance to nation-wide competition. So, wouldn't we still have a
middleman? You recommend we cut government red tape, but the administrative
costs for Medicaid are lower than private sector insurance companies.
Thinkin\' Man,The only way that the US will see a drop in
medical expenses is to remove all middle men. Hospital administration is fine,
most are very lean already.The US pays nearly 10 times the next
closest country for medical care yet receives less than nearly all countries.France, UK, Canada, Germany, Norway, Finland, Sweden, etc., all have a
single payer system. They pay into it via taxes, they pay co-pays at the doctor
and all have better access to care, better care, lower infant mortality rates,
longer life spans and healthier lives.The problem is that we have
been sold a bill of good from the insurance companies that this is the best way
when it is proven incorrect everywhere, even in the US.If we dropped
the insurance companies and went to a dedicated single payer (1 large insurance
company) medical costs would drop overnight.Of course, we would have
nearly 10 Million unemployed due to the nature of insurance companies but with
lower medical, more money would enter the market creating more jobs at all
levels. The economy would normalize in about 3 years.
Good article. Medicaid expansion would not be neccesary if we had a truely
universal single payer system. You poeple who push the goverment scare stuff
crack me up. Mountanman is right we should not be pushing costs of to the next
generation, but we really aren't doing that with this medicaid expension,
so as usual he raises a red herring.
@Thinkin\' ManWhy does government run health care have to be
expensive? All other first world countries have some form of government health
care and run at close to half the costs of what the US spends per person.
This is like saying "people keep getting cuts on their feet, so the
government needs to buy more band-aids for them."No, the answer
is to wear shoes or sweep the dang floor!If medical care were
cheaper, the major problems would go away. Do away with the middleman system.
Cut hospital administrations. Limit malpractice awards. Open insurance to
nation-wide competition. End the collusion between health care providers and
insurance companies that guarantee high payments. Cut government red tape. And
most important of all, DO NOT create a big expensive Federal health care
bureaucracy.This ain't rocket science.
@mountainmanWith all due respect to the good people of the area of Idaho
that you live in, I have to ask myself the very same question, in terms of the
wealthy retired California pensioners who live in your area, Who in California
can afford to pay them such luxurious pensions? Certainly our Iraq/Afghanistan
veterans should at least get their fare share of sacrificing themselves as well.
Important question no one is asking? Who is going to pay for it? We don't
have the money and we can not just keep borrowing from our grandchildren.
This is the reason why I am grateful I live in California. Much more is
available for assistance for my Down Syndrome son over here. Because of that, my
wife and I are extremely "blessed".