Published: Thursday, Feb. 14 2013 12:05 a.m. MST
This is the reason why I am grateful I live in California. Much more is
available for assistance for my Down Syndrome son over here. Because of that, my
wife and I are extremely "blessed".
Important question no one is asking? Who is going to pay for it? We don't
have the money and we can not just keep borrowing from our grandchildren.
@mountainmanWith all due respect to the good people of the area of Idaho
that you live in, I have to ask myself the very same question, in terms of the
wealthy retired California pensioners who live in your area, Who in California
can afford to pay them such luxurious pensions? Certainly our Iraq/Afghanistan
veterans should at least get their fare share of sacrificing themselves as well.
This is like saying "people keep getting cuts on their feet, so the
government needs to buy more band-aids for them."No, the answer
is to wear shoes or sweep the dang floor!If medical care were
cheaper, the major problems would go away. Do away with the middleman system.
Cut hospital administrations. Limit malpractice awards. Open insurance to
nation-wide competition. End the collusion between health care providers and
insurance companies that guarantee high payments. Cut government red tape. And
most important of all, DO NOT create a big expensive Federal health care
bureaucracy.This ain't rocket science.
@Thinkin\' ManWhy does government run health care have to be
expensive? All other first world countries have some form of government health
care and run at close to half the costs of what the US spends per person.
Good article. Medicaid expansion would not be neccesary if we had a truely
universal single payer system. You poeple who push the goverment scare stuff
crack me up. Mountanman is right we should not be pushing costs of to the next
generation, but we really aren't doing that with this medicaid expension,
so as usual he raises a red herring.
Thinkin\' Man,The only way that the US will see a drop in
medical expenses is to remove all middle men. Hospital administration is fine,
most are very lean already.The US pays nearly 10 times the next
closest country for medical care yet receives less than nearly all countries.France, UK, Canada, Germany, Norway, Finland, Sweden, etc., all have a
single payer system. They pay into it via taxes, they pay co-pays at the doctor
and all have better access to care, better care, lower infant mortality rates,
longer life spans and healthier lives.The problem is that we have
been sold a bill of good from the insurance companies that this is the best way
when it is proven incorrect everywhere, even in the US.If we dropped
the insurance companies and went to a dedicated single payer (1 large insurance
company) medical costs would drop overnight.Of course, we would have
nearly 10 Million unemployed due to the nature of insurance companies but with
lower medical, more money would enter the market creating more jobs at all
levels. The economy would normalize in about 3 years.
@Thinkin\' Man:"Do away with the middleman". If by this
you mean have a single payer system, I agree with you. You also say we should
open insurance to nation-wide competition. So, wouldn't we still have a
middleman? You recommend we cut government red tape, but the administrative
costs for Medicaid are lower than private sector insurance companies.
I agree: Utah needs to accept the Medicaid Expansion!
I've read that much of the 1.5 billion will provide health care to those
here illegally, once Obama care kicks in.
The core argument in the article is that since the Federal Govenment is going to
give us all this free money, we would be stupid to not take it.This
is exactly how the federal government is currently ruining our education system.
Local districts can tap into a large reserve of funds, if they only conform to
the guidelines dictacted by the federal government. What we end up
with are bad educational practices pushed by people who have no connection to
the distinct needs and desires of the local parents and students. All funded by
... oh yea, us. Or more realistically, by our children's children's
children.Nothing is free, not even free healthcare. If Utah
capitulates to the federal bribe, doesn't that make us co-conspirators in
the crime being committed against our posterity?
@ Morpunkt. You are right, most of my neighbors are former Californians. I
frequently ask them why they left California to live here. Typical response:
escape from high taxes, the school systems, pollution and crime. I get along
with them well and welcome them here!
@mountainmanThat is precisely my point. The reason why taxes are so high
here is to pay for their decadent pensions. Their lobbyists in Sacramento are
essentially the robber barons of our time.
Sounds to me like thinkin man and mm are advocating a single payer system! I
knew you'd come around. Single payer systems are cheaper, more efficient,
and better. Get rid of the for profit insurance nonsense. Tell them to get real
And here is the real cost to this monstrosity called Obamacare: $1.76 trillion
over the next ten years.[Source: CBO]And that amount is just
the Government's share – not our individual increased costs.
Single payer system is the answer. We're already spending more than enough
to make it work. We can include everyone. Bankrupt no one.
Re:VSTThe figure for Obamacare you cite is gross cost--not net
cost.The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates the Affordable
Care Act will have a net savings in comparison to there being no bill. The CBO
and Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) now estimate the insurance coverage
provisions of the ACA will have a net decrease in federal deficits of $2 billion
over the 2012-2021 period
Eric, the expansion of Medicaid is not humane. It is the State, by force or the
threat of force, robbing from one group of people and giving to another. Nothing
the state does is humane. People, acting on their own, voluntarily, commit
humane acts. Government is force. Now, if a local church or other non-government
agency wants to establish a fund to help people without insurance, that is
humane.The federal government does not pay 100% of the expansion.
We, the people, pay 100% of the expansion. And then, when the ratio changes to
90%, that'll be an extra 10% that's taken by the local robbers.Oh, how cold and heartless I must be. These people are SUFFERING. Yes
they are. I believe I should help. However, I don't believe that help
should come by way of a government agent threatening me with the loss of life,
liberty, or property. And, when all the layers of velvet are removed,
Eric's cry for humanity administered by the government, is enforced by a
@Truthseeker,Oh yes, but it is still a $1.76 trillion cost to the
treasury, isn't it? I will never claim that we did not have a health care
cost problem that needed to be solved, but Obamacare, as drafted and
implemented, is NOT the cost effective solution.For one example, it
still did not completely solve the Medicare cost problem but merely kicked the
can down the road. Per the Medicare commission numbers, Medicare will run out
of money in 2024. That will be in 2021 if you believe the CBO projections.As for saving $2 billion over ten years, that is merely "spitting in
the bucket." This Government spends that much in just five hours.Nancy Pelosi's statement still rings loud in clear as to how Obamacare
was literally thrown together without any significant logic as to how to make it
an effective solution. "We have to pass it so that we can find out what is
But to the broader issue, how health care should be provided. Health care is
more a social issue than a commercial one. Health care requires a socialist
sollution. Instead we are trying to solve the health care crisis by serving a
variety of private interests. This is like squareing the circle.
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