Published: Thursday, Feb. 14 2013 12:05 a.m. MST
We may be stuck for the time being with the transportation system, fuel types
and other factors that add to air pollution. But does that mean we should not
be looking for good solutions for the future?If we do nothing,
nothing will change.
What I can't understand is the hypocriacy of not knowing the differnece
between "reducing" emissions, and jumping to an extremists 100%
elimimination of any and all emissions.
Another way to look at it: The people who went to the Capitol are trying to
solve the problem while the letter writer mocks them and does nothing.
Again, to call these individuals hypocrites despite having no evidence who drove
alone, or who carpooled or took public transit is counterproductive and
presumptive. Why don't we all act instead of pointing fingers?
We all want and need clean air, that's a given. Speak with anyone who has
asthma or COPD about the ill effects of Utah's pollution. Not many people,
including our legislators, are in favor of smog. The demonstrators should have
advocated for effective, concrete proposals along with explaining the costs
involved. Otherwise they are little different from the man on the street corner
We're going to be almost totally dependent on petroleum based energy for
the lifetime of everyone today even if we start an aggressive alternative energy
programme today. It's a good idea to do that, but let's acknowledge
what it will take to make that happen, and what we have to do in the mean time.
I did not see the demonstration, but although my wife and I were raised in Davis
County, when we retired and returned to Utah we settled in the south of the
state, mostly for this very reason. The quality of life along the
"front" has materially declined since we were children.
Larry, I guess it's just too bad so live with it, eh even though it's
costing us millions of moola in productivity and lost revenue not to mention
healthcare costs? FYI, 4601 there were specific proposals offered to Gary the
Gov and the demonstrations were more than what you implied. It's time for
leadership to look past the little picture and look to the big picture.
To "4601" but the Utah air does not cause asthma, and this is how we
know.If you look at graphs showing the Utah air quality over the
past 30 years or more, you see that the air quality has been improving. Now, if
you look at asthma rates, you would expect to see higher rates of asthma with
each increasing age group. This is where your arguement falls apart. Those
people that are 60 and over have about the same asthma rates as the youth. If
the pollution causes asthma, why is it that those who grew up with higher
pollution have the same asthma rates as the youth growing up with cleaner
air?Also, Utah's air is only bad for short periods of time, how
can that cause long lasting problems? Think carpal tunnel, is that cause by
short bursts of repetitive movements or prolonged exposure?
@Redshirt"Also, Utah's air is only bad for short periods of time,
how can that cause long lasting problems? "That logic would
suggest that it'd be totally fine to smoke an occasional cigarette as long
as it wasn't done frequently.
RedShirtUSS Enterprise, UTAlso, Utah's air is only bad
for short periods of time, how can that cause long lasting problems? Think
carpal tunnel,============ Think urinating in a pool.Pollution doesn't just magically go away, it builds and it builds
until eventually it makes all of it unfit for humans and otehr life. BTW - why should we worry RedShirt - You tell us that the earth makes
fossil fuels faster than we can burn it, that the earth is only 6,000
years old, and that Jesus is going to come down and claen up the mess we
made.I read the scriptures, listen to the prophets, and I don't
To "LDS Tree-Hugger" but pollution does go away, or at least most of the
pollution goes away after a rain storm or when a snow storm comes through.Where does it say that the earth is only 6000 years old? I have never
seen anyplace in teh scriptures that say that the earth is only 6000 years old.
We know that since Adam it has been about 6000 years, but we don't know how
long the creative time was. The label of a "day" during the creative
period was invented during the translations and copying process of the Bible.I have never said that the earth makes fossil fuels faster than we can
burn it. I have said that the US has a lot of fuel, enough to last at least 100
years at our current consumption rate.To "atl134" yes, you
wouldn't have long term damage if you had one cigarette every once in a
while, as long as it wasn't all the time. The same can be said about
pollution from car exhaust. Think about when you mow the lawn, any pollution
controls there and how close are you to the exhaust?
To "LDS Tree-Hugger" also, even in your analogy, anything bad from
uninating in a pool will be filtered out or rendered harmless by the chemicals
in the pool.If pollution doesn't go away, why is it that the
weather man always tells us that once the storm or weather front comes through
that the air will be cleaned out?You may read the scriptures, but
you don't seem to read what I post or even have any idea where I stand on
the issue of clean air in Utah.The other problem that you and the
environmentalists have not dealt with is wild fires in the Salt Lake Valley,
west desert, Nevada, and California. There have been times when those fires
have dumped a lot of pm2.5 pollution into the Salt Lake Valley. How do you plan
on regulating the pollution caused by fires? We seem to be effected by those
fires several times during the summer, more than by cars.
Mr. Jewkes's insinuation of hypocrisy would carry more weight and might
actually be persuasive if it were based on fact and not idle speculation ("I
could not help but ponder..."). The path of attributing hypocrisy to
one's opponents is an easy one, but one fraught with peril, for hypocrisy
knows no ideology. One could just as easily bring up the Republican legislator
in Tennessee, an outspoken traditional family values, pro-life man, who was
caught on tape urging his pregnant mistress to get an abortion. At least that
was a factual case of hypocrisy and not the product of mere pondering. Or the
fervently anti-gay preacher who, well, you know. The list goes on and on.
There are many across the political spectrum whose behavior doesn't match
their words. The sword of hypocrisy allegations should be used carefully and
selectively, for it cuts in all directions. It is safer when it is based on
reality and not supposition.FWIW, the environmentally aware folks I
know try to walk the talk earnestly (and literally, they actually walk) as much
as possible. They may slip now and then, but the intent is good.
"We know that since Adam it has been about 6000 years"Haha.
Hahaha. Haha. Hahahaha. I love religious people. -
You know, only among conservatives will you find people that argue FOR polution.
If we could stop Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama from blowing so much smoke,
all of us could breath better.
Redshirt,I don't think 4601 is arguing that the particulate pollution
is causing asthma. He is saying that people who already have asthma react poorly
when air pollution levels are high. Those who have preexisting respiratory
conditions are the most vulnerable to effects. Asthma also is not the only
documented health effect of PM2.5 And these inversions have lasted for weeks
this year, hardly a short period of time. mountanman,Nothing
substantive to say on the matter, but feeling the need to be seen &
recognized, I see?
"...Also, Utah's air is only bad for short periods of time, how can
that cause long lasting problems?" It is inadvisable to exercise out of
doors for about two months of the year - 1/6 of the year. This is ridiculous.
Of course we have built our society around the automobile since WW II, so most
folks didn't have much choice but to go to the Capitol in an auto. To fix
our air problems I propose that we go to an even/odd system of some type so that
most of us cannot use our cars half the time, using public transport instead.
Seniors could get special plate stickers exempting them. Our we serious about
this or not?
Soooooo let's just keep kicking the can down the road and do nothing. Must
be a republican.
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