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'We have cleared away the rubble'

President urges congress to act on jobs program

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 13, 2013 8:59 p.m.

    Speaking of rubble:

    11,405 new Obama regulations, cost our economy 488 billion per week--10:03 AM, Sep 19, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPER

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2013 8:20 p.m.

    Kent C. DeForrest,

    The wealthy are still creating jobs. Look at China and other third world countries where American businessmen have moved to because they can pay people a few pennies and hour and work them 60 hours a week in unsafe working conditions with no benefits. If only the American workers would be reasonable and work under the same set of conditions, I am sure they would bring the jobs back here.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 13, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    @Clarissa-unfortunatly we won't pick the next president, and we only think our vote counts. It's all up to the press, and my guess would be either Hillary, or Biden. More of the same thing.

    I wonder if Barack would send his wife, and daughters to the front lines of battle?

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Feb. 13, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    Rock - You forgot the tens of thousands of jobs lost as a result of Obamacare.

    The medical device excise tax has already cost over 20K jobs. Doctors continue to leave the profession in droves.

    The thing that needs to be done, before any other "programs" is CUT SPENDING.

    How does he not get it? If you cut spending, you can pass the savings onto the citizenry who will spend it, creating jobs. How can Government create jobs? CUT SPENDING.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    Both parties are really clueless about the economy. But the Republicans, in particular, keep coming up with the same stale melody: Give the job creators more money, increase income inequality, and somehow we'll all be better off. We've tried this. The "job creators" get more money, but where are the jobs? And why does everyone below the top 20 percent keep losing ground? Can't they figure out a way to share more of the wealth with those who actually create it (and I'm not talking about CEOs)? This isn't quantum physics. If some folks would take off their greed glasses, they'd see the answer staring them in the face.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    @The Rock,

    Hugs from me.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    If unemployment is always high then it becomes normal, so it is no longer high. If the senate never sets a budget, then you can't be over budget. If you boldly say you want bypartisan solutions, the people will ignore the fact that you are the most divisive president of all time.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Feb. 13, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    Jobs Destroyed by Obama:

    880 Chrysler dealerships closed (all but one owned by Republican donors)
    6 Coal fired electrical generating plants closed. (violated Obama's Global Warming religion).
    Multiple Coal Mines closed as electrical plants close.
    Multiple small banks closed by Fin Reg.
    Obama Care forcing businesses to cut hours for employees and reduce head count.

    And the beat goes on and on and on...

    Principles of Economics:

    1. You cannot create prosperity without creating wealth.
    2. If you take away everything produced in Mining, Manufacturing and Agriculture, nothing would be left. It therefore follows that all wealth is created in these three industries.
    3. Government consumes wealth, it does not create it. Government spending cannot stimulate the economy, rather it makes things worse.

    No, the rubble has not been cleared away. Obama continues to manufacture it.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    The president claimed that "both parties have worked together to reduce the deficit by more than $2.5 trillion." But that's only an estimate of deficit reduction through fiscal year 2022, and it would be lower if the White House used a different starting point.

    Obama touted the growth of 500,000 manufacturing jobs over the past three years, but there has been a net loss of 600,000 manufacturing jobs since he took office. The recent growth also has stalled since July 2012.

    He claimed that "we have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas." Actual mileage is improving, but Obama's "doubled" claim refers to a desired miles-per-gallon average for model year 2025.

    Obama said the Affordable Care Act "is helping to slow the growth of health care costs." It may be helping, but the slower growth for health care spending began in 2009, before the law was enacted, and is due at least partly to the down economy.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    Interestingly enough I was listening yesterday to Democrat Congressman Dennis Kucinich ,who happens to be quite liberal on most things, respond to Obama's speech and Kuconish basically disagreed with ALL the main talking points. Kucinich said he is against raising taxes admitting that it will only HURT the already stagnant economy. Raising taxes is at the HEART of everything Obama is trying to do. I think what is happening now is many of these House members from the Democratic party are finally throwing in the towel on the predictable Obama agenda which has failed miserably and continues to fail. There comes a point where even a Democrat has to adjust to reality and Dennis Kucinich did just that yesterday. Bottom line - this speech yesterday was nothing more than a copy - paste of the past 4 state of union speeches. "I won't add one dime to the deficit"? HA!! Ya right - you have only added over a trillion and a half for each of the past 4 years and now suddenly you aren't anymore? So what changed? More taxes and spending. This is beyond laughable anymore ... it is insulting to have to listen to.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    The imperial presidency of Mr. Obama continues on the model of Hugo Chavez. "Be reasonable, do it my way." So much for compromise. Maybe he thinks he received 100% of the popular vote.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Feb. 13, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    My memory goes back to Truman. Obama is by far the most divisive president in my memory. There are presidents I haven't agreed with; presidents I didn't like and presidents I didn't respect. But I have never witnessed a president who went out of his way to offend anyone that doesn't agree with him quite like Obama does. If you don't agree with him, he just rubs your face in the mud.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    To "Furry1993" how are things better?

    See "U.S. Income Gap Rose, Sign of Uneven Recovery" in the NY Times.

    "Food Stamps Used By Record 42.2 Million Americans This Thanksgiving" Huffington Post

    "Labor Force Participation Rate Lowest In Three Decades, Though Despair Doesn't Explain It All" Huffington Post.

    According to the IRS document "RIN 1545-BL36 Shared Responsibility Payment for Not Maintaining Minimum Essential Coverage" the cheapest Obamacare plan will cost $20,000/yr. Making insurance even through the government unaffordable to most people.

    Under Bush deficits averaged $400 Billion, under Obama the deficits have averaged $1.2 Trillion.

    How can you say that things are getting better when we are earning LESS than before Obama, have more dependance on food stamps, fewer people working, insurance overpriced, and we are borrowing more?

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    ECR, thanks for offering a dose of reality re job numbers.

    It appears to be falling of deaf ears. Par for around here.

    Look, if we can cut taxes _and_ start two unfunded foreign wars, we can jolly-well rebuild our crumbling bridges and roads, and invest in early childhood education.

    The way to pay for these investments is to stop forcing the DoD to spend billions on weapons systems (e.g. the F-35 fighter and M-1 tank) that even they say they don't want.

  • Clarissa Layton, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    I try and look at this speech with a different point of view. I just ignore it. There will be only three more, and than, hopefully, then I'll get someone to listen to who makes sense and will actually help our country.

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    I have to admit Obama got one thing right, the issue that Republicans keep messing up, immigration reform. Republicans have got to stop acting like our Hispanic neighbors are our enemies. Remember our heritage ... "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...
    (But "illegal is illegal" you say? Most of us are willing to break the law if needed for the sake of our loved ones, such as speeding to take an expectant mother or a seriously ill child to the hospital. Desperate parents would not be crossing the border illegally to support their families if we didn't make it nearly impossible to come here legally.)
    Unfortunately, this issue will become largely irrelevant if the liberals continue to tax and spend our economy into ruin.
    Incidentally, by alienating Hispanics the Republicans have added to the Democrats' political base. Take away his overwhelming margin of support from Hispanic voters and Obama would now be unemployed.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Feb. 13, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    George of the jungle - "10,000,000 jobs lost from the day Obama started..."

    I know the DN monitor is concerned about using too many captial letters but apparently not concerned with allowing fabricated information to be published.

    According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) "If not for deep cuts in government jobs, net job growth in Obama's first term probably would have turned positive long ago. The BLS revision raised private payrolls by 453,000 jobs, but lowered government payrolls by 67,000. That means, in total, federal, state and local government payrolls are 743,000 jobs lower than they were when Obama took office. Private payrolls, in contrast, are 868,000 jobs higher than when Obama took office, including the benchmark revision."

    It seems to me that is what everyone, especially conservatives, have said they want - fewer government workers and more private sector jobs. And that's what we got.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Feb. 13, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    Obama's simplified tax plan he talked about really is simple. It's only two lines.

    1. How much did you make last year? ________________

    2. Please mail it to Washington, DC

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    More government spending for roads, bridges, and headstart, without adding a dime to the deficit? Besides being practiaccly impossible, that also shows that Obama wants to raise taxes - which is just what the economy does NOT need. More big government - the wrong approach.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 13, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    Amazing how some people keep falling for the same con artist rhetoric: Hmm:

    * the debt won't go up a dime with his plan?
    * minimum, nine dollars an hour for full time employees?
    * four year old's to government schools
    * sisters, and moms on the combat field?
    * climate change?
    * gun control?
    * we still need to fix bridges, environment, and invest in education?

    Somethings to consider:

    * we won Wars with guns, and wouldn't be here today without them.
    * more lay-offs, and part timers with the nine dollar wage.
    * families are the foundation of societies. Four years in government schools while moms, and sisters on the battle field, isn't very bright.
    * fixing bridges, the environment, and education has been the best excuse to increased funding, spending, and control.

    The worse evils which mankind has ever had to endure were inflicted by bad governments.

    Everything suggested by our commander were government solutions. Aren't they the ones who brought the rubble?

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    I don't understand Mr. Obama very well.

    Should we hire the illegal immigrants first (there's about 20 million of them)or do the 20 million unemployed Americans go to the front of the line?

    Who should we buy health insurance for, the existing 30 hr.per week workers, or should we just hire illegal immigrants at lower wages and buy insurance for them first?

    No problem though, after we get through paying our increased taxes, we probably won't be able to hire ANY new employees!

    All the rest of you can just buy the insurance for the illegal immmigrants. Business can't afford it.

    I'll await further instruction from Mr. Obama before I act.

  • Invisible Hand Provo, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    The president wants to help poor people get job training and lower unemployment, and at the same time raise minimum wage? The man has no understanding of economics. The old trope about not being able to raise a family of four on minimum wage is totally misleading and false. Minimum wage jobs are typically for people just starting out in the work force and once they get training and experience their wages will rise. By mandating high wages you might as well mandate high unemployment.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    4 years ago barack said

    "I will cut the deficit in half during my first term"

    It wasn't cut in half

    It wasn't cut by 25%

    It wasn't cut by 1%

    It increased

    Barack also said if allowed his

    FIRST

    of many spendathons of 787 billion that unemployment wouldnt reach 8%

    It reached 8%

    It reached 9%

    It reached 10%

    It reached 11%

    Several trillion dollars later, barack still couldnt do as he promised

    You will have to forgive me for using this guys actual history as indication of how the next 4 years will be.

    As opposed to his nonsense talk that 50% of the country buys into.

    I look at results.

    And barack,

    You failed.

  • Dixie Dan Saint George, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 7:15 a.m.

    The President's suggestion that the minimum wage be increased to $9 p/hour must have sent shock waves through Utah. When was the last time our legislature increased the minimum wage without Federal guidelines?

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 7:15 a.m.

    @ Pagan

    Those are nice tag lines, but you forgot the ones about the 18 jobs bills the house republicans passed that the Senate will not even allow to come to a vote. Moreover, simply giving away money that the government does not have is not a jobs bill, it is simply living on credit and expecting our children and grandchildren to pay for insane amounts of spending. (Obama has been spending 50% more than Bill Clinton did after adjusting for inflation). The federal government has already been growing at 1000 employees per day. Helping state governments to grow their payrolls will further help the economy. Apparently Democrats think that we should all work for the government. Never mind who will pay for it - we can always dump our bankrupt country on the next generation.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 7:11 a.m.

    Apparently, obama's speech writer doesn't understand the term "rubble." Has he never been to Washington D.C.?

  • Albert Maslar CPA (Retired) Absecon, NJ
    Feb. 13, 2013 6:37 a.m.

    Unfortunately President Obama has repeatedly killed the Keystone XL Pipeline that when combined with other American oil exploration and safe drilling would have created a top-down two million good paying tax-paying jobs, that in turn would have created other support jobs, increased consumer spending money while taking unemployed workers off the unemployment and welfare benefit rolls, saving government expenditures. Sometimes the answers are simple and right under our nose.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 6:13 a.m.

    10,000,000 jobs lost from the day Obama started, Every thing has been traumatic and a lot of drama, I guess clearing the way means no one cares what he has to say, he done his job.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 13, 2013 5:28 a.m.

    If the great Obama tells us HE has cleared away the rubble, who are we to say rubble still abounds? Close your eyes so you just can't see it, including the exploding national debt. Obama and the Democrats can't see it, so it must not exist! "We don't have a spending problem, we have a revenue problem".

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 5:15 a.m.

    To FT 11:48 p.m. Feb. 12, 2013

    Cleared away the rubble? From an outsider's view our nation's capitol looks like Beck Street on Steroids.

    -------------------

    There is still some cleaning up to do BUT things are a lot better than when President Obama took over from President Cheney and his puppet.

  • CP Tooele, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 3:59 a.m.

    I heard it all before..Obama blames the Republicans, Republicans blame Obama. But in my opinion there is no such thing as middle class anymore..you're either rich or you're living paycheck to paycheck just hoping to keep food on your table, and if that's government's idea of middle class the definition has changed in the last few years.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 11:48 p.m.

    Cleared away the rubble? From an outsider's view our nation's capitol looks like Beck Street on Steroids.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 11:35 p.m.

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