Ned Grimley: Nothing seems to be mentioned about investigating the cause of his
mindset.His prior treatment within the LAPD was his cause. Whether it was
real or imagined is not important but why is there no clamor to have a real
investigation of the LAPD and other departments across the nation.Without
finding the true cause of his mindset, we have left the door open to create more
such actions. He obviously was willing to give his life to force an
investigation of what he saw as a corrupt force of brutality. Without this being
a primary concern, we are no better than those who created his demons.
wrzOgden, UTBackground checks border on unconstitutionality.
Checks can be made but guns cannot be denied anyone. Says so in Amendment II to
the US Constitution. If you'd like me to provide the quote, I will...2:57 p.m. Feb. 14, 2013============ ...but guns
cannot be denied anyone.Are you serious?Convicts, Felons,
rapists, child molestors, mentally ill, drug dealers,gang members, ect.?You seriously believe and support these people the right to have
guns?You are extreme wz - see the other Deseret News postings
yesterday.FYI - 1. can not be Infringed, means can not be
confisgated.2. What part of a "well-regulated militia" as part of
that 2nd amendment did you not read or comprehend?
LDS Liberal, He did state in his manifesto that he was a staunch Hillary
supporter but would vote for Christie if she wasn't running.His
political beliefs and who he liked are totally irrelivant to what happened.After reading his manifesto, I would say he got railroaded by the LAPD.
Cops do tend to protect their own.That said, what Dorner did was
wrong and he apparently reaped what he sowed. He should have persued LAPD
through legal means. LAPD firing him also wrecked his Navy career.
Anyone hear of Claude Dallas. Lived a fairly nobadi life in Owyhee County
Idaho. That is south of the Boise area and the southern 100 or so miles have no
towns just a big deseret. Anyway two what I hear were arrogant Fish and Game
officers came to his camp he told them were to go and shot them. Got charged
with two counts of Voluntary Manslaughter and not murder and escaped 5 years
later from prison.Some people say he was a folk hero for what he
did. Two people are dead because of him and other people are dead because of
Doner. Like Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer people make them some kind of
celebrity. Morbid nothing heroic about him whatsoever.
@JoeBlow: "Universal background checks still make as much sense today as
when the NRA called for it and ran ads for in the past."Background checks border on unconstitutionality. Checks can be made but guns
cannot be denied anyone. Says so in Amendment II to the US Constitution. If
you'd like me to provide the quote, I will...'... the
right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.'
Schwa: I am no proponent of Christopher Dorner, nor the horrible things he did.
However, I think you raise an interesting question...but possibly for a
different reason. Why did police earlier open fire on a vehicle that "looked
like" Dorners? Did the people inside brandish firearms, or evade the police?
Is there more to this whole story than meets the eye? What else did Dorner
know/do that isn't being told?"Is it more childish to
believe in conspiracy theories, or to claim they don't exist?"
This guy was obviously a bad dude. But I have to wonder why anyone thinks it is
ok that the police intentionally burned this man alive.
A coward who murdered innocent people.Nothing less...Nothing more.
LDS Liberal, I am disappointed. It is disingenuous to omit
information. If you read his manifesto, Dorner has strong praise for Obama:"I think you’ve done a "heck" of a job with what you have
been dealt and how you have managed it."Bill and Hillary
Clinton:"You’ll make one "heck" of a president in 2016.
Much like your husband, Bill, you will be one of the greatest.Joe
Biden:"I’ve always been a fan of yours and consider you one of
the few genuine and charismatic politicians."Chris Christie. "You’re the only person I would like to see in the White House in
2016 other than Hillary."Bush Sr."(T)hey never give
you enough credit for your successful Presidency. You were always one of my
favorite Presidents (2nd favorite)."He only briefly mentions
McCain as "honorable" and Bush Jr. as a "C" college student. He
would have voted for Huntsman. He lists"Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough,
Pat Harvey, Brian Williams, Soledad Obrien, Wolf Blitzer, Meredith Viera, Tavis
Smiley, and Anderson Cooper," Of all of these, Scarborough, Huntsman and
Bush Sr. were never considered hard-core conservatives.
@pragmatistferlife“New low Mountainman..”Actually; the
intolerant left blaming Sarah Palin for the shooting of Gabby Gifford's was
the all time lowMountainman brings up a valid point - when the left was so
quick to blame conservatives for Gifford, the IRS bomber, the holocaust museum
shooter, etc (even when the perps were clearly not conservatives) - it is
rather amazing how the media has silenced any discussion of Dorner's left
wing rantsYes Dorner included some Repubs on his “like list”,
including Jon Huntsman – but his manifesto and writings were largely
radically left – loaded with charges of racism (because he was caught
lying) and most of his swooning was over lefties like Dianne Feinsten, Chris
Matthews, Brian Williams, Soledad Obrien (sic), Wolf Blitzer, Meredith Viera
(sic), Anderson Cooper and even Ellen DeGeneres and Charlie SheenUnfortunately this bias is also consistent with the media ignoring Floyd Lee
Corkins, who just pleaded guilty to attempted murder for his shooting at the
Family Research Council
Christopher Dorner - ex-LAPD - Feb. 12, 2012Adam Lanza - Sandy Hook
Elementary - Dec. 14, 2102Jacob Tyler Roberts - Portland Mall - Dec. 11,
2012James Holmes - Aurora Colorado Movie Theater - July 20, 2012========== Common denominators, 1. Mentally ill.2.
Legal access to Assault rifles.3. No back ground checks.4. mass
Shooting rampages.Some will blame the guns.I blame our current
stupid "No Questions asked" access to them.
Remind me again how having no assault weapons would be bad for society?? So odd that in a pre-dominantly LDS culture there would be so many on
the side of arming everyone as a solution to society's ills. Don't shoot the little birds...or anyone else.
CNN panel quoted in saying, this Dorner thing, is like watching a Denzel
Washington movie.They are actually excited to watch this take place.And they want gun control.This is why People dislike folks on both sides
of the isle.
LDS: "Where are we with that back-ground check legislation conservative
Republicans refuse to address?..." Background checks would
certainly have averted this problem...
@Mountanman"Several innocent people dead and no calls for more gun
control today?"Obama demanding a vote on gun control legislation
last night wasn't enough for you?
common sense55Springville, UT...The problem isn't with
his political preferences, it's that a mentally disturbed man was pushed
over the edge. Crazy people exist on both sides of politics, but to address the
issues, we need to stop thinking that a person's political views make them
prone to act out with violence.12:20 p.m. Feb. 13, 2013============ Agreed.There are mentally distrubed and Crazy
people who go over the edge from time to time on both sides of politic aisle.Now, back to business and the issues that deal directly to the
matter:Where are we with that back-ground check legislation conservative
Republicans refuse to address?...
He mentioned many celebrities/politicians on both sides of the aisle. The
problem isn't with his political preferences, it's that a mentally
disturbed man was pushed over the edge. Crazy people exist on both sides of
politics, but to address the issues, we need to stop thinking that a
person's political views make them prone to act out with violence.
FYI MountanmanHayden, ID5:56 a.m. Feb. 13, 2013ConservativeTreeHouse - perhaps?Anyway I really loved this
line from his manifesto:"In my cache you will find several small
arms. In the cache, Bushmaster firearms, Remington precision rifles, and AAC
Suppressors (silencers). All of these small arms are manufactured by
Cerberus/Freedom Group. The same company responsible for the Portland mall
shooting, Webster , NY, and Sandy Hook massacre."
It's amazing the way people are shot down by the DN moderators.We
have some folks that are clearly off the reservation and trying to evoke flat
out war on this site.Then there are folks who state simple truths that
don't defy any comment rules.The DN is taking big brother to a whole
new level.Pro gun rights, anti dorner out.
MountanmanHayden, IDIt is ironic that Dorner was a staunch Obama and
Hillary supporter. 5:56 a.m. Feb. 13, 2013=========== What Tin-Foiled-Hat on-line rag are you reading Mountanman?I
didn't even hear anything that outrageous on Glenn Beck this morning on my
way into work.BTW - since YOU brought it up, omni scent is
right [making you - once again - squarely wrong]I too read his manifesto,
and George H. W. Bush is one of his favorite presidents of all time, and Chris
Christie is his top pick for president in 2016.You better be willing
and able to back up your outrageous claims with verifiable facts and data.This ISN'T talk radio.
MukkakeThe "British Law Enforcement" were not the same as
police officers. They were army men. Also they weren't attacked while they
were in their homes and completely innocent. This is cold-blooded murder. That
was a war and they were just as prepared if not more prepared than our troops.
The victims in this case were practically defenseless.
Hemlock:[He pushed back race relations because of his own
inadequacies.]Only for people who were already racist.Seriously, how backward do you have to be to still talk about "race
[One of the most disturbing phenomena of modern life is the tendency by some to
feel sympathy for criminal acts.][One law enforcement officer was killed
and another wounded. These are people sworn to uphold the law and protect the
public.]Just out of curiosity... How is this any different than the
American colonists opening fire on and killing British Law Enforcement in 1775?
Dorner was not an underdog. He murdered uninvolved, innocent people and is by
definition a terrorist. Anyone lionizing him is tragically misguided. He pushed
back race relations because of his own inadequacies.
MM -- What?????Where did you get that "information?"Documentation please.
"It is ironic that Dorner was a staunch Obama and Hillary supporter"Well THAT changes everything - NOT. Makes absolutely no diff to me.
Guy got what he deserved regardless of who he voted for.And BTW?
Universal background checks still make as much sense today as when the NRA
called for it and ran ads for in the past.
It is natural the many Americans will favor the underdog when only the side of
the government is known. While we have a tendency to favor little over big as
part of being human, the distrust of government is constantly being pounding
into our minds by our main media. That along with the bad reputation of police
in policing their own makes the Dorner case suspect. While we need
to allow public servants to do their job without undue interference from the
public, the information about the Dorner case should be given to the public
because of the notoriety already given it. To withhold this is as bad for the
police reputation as if the police were at fault.
Mountainman: in his manifesto, he said George H. W. Bush is one of his favorite
presidents of all time, and Chris Christie is his top pick for president in
2016. I'm sorry that the facts conflict with your worldview of conservative
= good, liberal = bad.
New low Mountainman..who possibly knew or cared who this guy voted for? PS..Al
Sharpton had over an hour show yesterday tracking the ongoings including this
mad mans demise.
"One of the most disturbing phenomena of modern life is the tendency by some
to feel sympathy for criminal acts. This tendency dates back at least to the
Great Depression,"Sorry but Say what? Man's history of
cheering the noble criminal goes way back beyond that. Take Robin of Nottingham
woods - who stole from the rich - to give to the poor. Or even the crowds who
would gather for Klan lynchings, where people were hung and burned for the
simple crime of being black. The Klan was viewed as the protecters of a life
style, holding public parades, all the while just being a bunch of lawless thugs
intent on terrorizing a particular class of people. The means that
Dorner used are clearly unacceptable - and wrong. There is no debate in that.
But one has to wonder, with a history of LAPD being out of control, how much of
what he claimed was true. Alas, we will never know as he was allegedly died
being burned in a cabin in the mountains... and any chatter of investigating his
claims will surely silently fade away..
It is ironic that Dorner was a staunch Obama and Hillary supporter. If he had
been a supporter of conservatives, what would the left say? All quiet on the
left today when one of their own goes viral in their hatred toward the
establishment! No political spin from the left today? Several innocent people
dead and no calls for more gun control today? No claims of blatant racism today?
Where are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?
Many support guns.But are against a background check.