JoeCapitalist2 - "Security gurads, cleaning crews, lawyers, tax accountants
do not add any real value to the company like employees who are designing,
building and selling the companys products do."I beg to differ -
security guards prevent theft and damage to comapny products and property,
cleaning crews keep arears clean and safe and prevent liability actions, lawyers
reduce potential liability actions and prevent law suits, tac accountants reduce
the comapny tax liability. All of these directly relate to the bottom line of
the company and the company would not be able to function without them unless
the builders, designers and salesmen pulled double duty and performed these
tasks also. Of every occupation listed I would argue that sales are the least
essential. If the companies product is good enough it will sell itself.
To "LDS Liberal" I still don't see why you would trust Big
Government over Big Business.Thanks to big government telling us
what we should eat we have higher obesity rates than before.We now
see more teen pregnancies since government started to teach sex ed.Our forests suffer bigger fires because of federal management.The
cost of insurance is higher because of big government.Big government
set up the banks for financial failure by requiring that they lower their
lending standards.The government does not protect the citizens, just
talk to people living near the Mexican border or that want to go into the
national forest areas that have signs warning of drug and human trafficers.The government is spending your children's and grandchildren's
money before they earn it.There are many in government who want to
get rid of the constitution so that they can take more of your money and spend
it how they want.Again, why trust the government, they are equal or
worse than businesses?
To LDS Liberal, Open Minded Mormon, and all your other screen names...I have never trusted "Big Business", but generally when one of them
gets out of line, pushes too far, or fails to serve their customers the
"Little Business" down the street is ready and able to eat their
lunch.Not true for "Big Government". They can abuse their
power all day long, treat citizens like dirt, and there is almost nothing that
we can do about it. We can vote in a new boss, but the apparatus is still the
same.How you trust government given all the scandals uncovered over
the years, is beyond my understanding.
JoeCapitalist2Orem, UTEven if your numbers are true (they are
- look them up for yourself), Big business is no saint, but it isn't
the boogey-man you portray either. ========== And, Could you even imagine those numbers if Big Government were ever smaller than
BIG Business, and could not control them?Who would control the
safety of your food?Who would assure that companies would clean up their
haz-mat?Who would pass hold and pass judgement on liability law-suits for
negligence?Who would require cleaner air, soil and water in their
production?Who would control drugs, testing, and assure quailty?Who
would issue Licenses, keep public records, and regulate permits? Companies and Corporations surely would not.Their purpose is to make
money, and only make money, and as much as they can.They want any and all
roadblocks brushed aside.Government's purpose is to protect the
people, the citizens. That's why I trust Big Government over
Big Business, anyday.
Hmm! The number of people on food stamps exceed the population of Spain. I
wonder if Obama will explain why so many are on food stamps.
Open minded Mormon: "2 Million Americans die every year from Big Pharmacy.
300,000 American die every year from Big Oil fossil fuels. 32,000 Americans die
every year from Guns."Even if your numbers are true (which I
doubt) - How many people didn't die last year because of "Big
Pharmacy"? How many people didn't freeze to death or die from uncooked
food because of "Big Oil"? How many people were not killed because a gun
was there to protect them (either their own gun or one used by a police
officer)?Big business is no saint, but it isn't the boogey-man
you portray either. Something tells me the true answers to my questions will
yield a much higher number than yours.
To "Open Minded Mormon" I don't think you understand
conservatives.You said that "I fear BIG Government, but only
because the same sort of radical far-right-wing in America could come into
power, and do those same sorts of things." Yet it is the conservatives that
are wanting to make government smaller and less intrusive.So, which
is it, do you fear big government, or do you fear having to take care of
yourself?You should also realize that as we have marched towards
socialism over the past 100 years, we have slowly been decreasing our strength
and economic growth. All of that while destroying the middle class (socialism
does that so that you have the elites running things, then everybody else).Socialist countries like Switzerland have banned assault rifles, I
thought that they put one of those into every house there.
What, Obama is big government?!! Since when did that happen? When I was
watching the 2008 campaign, he said that Bush's deficits were wrong, and
that government solutions don't work. Now they say that Obama is a
"big government" politician!! The outrage.In other news,
zebras have stripes and Lions have been found in Africa.
So basically they will push the same agenda that has failed them for the past
Badger55Nibley, UtConversely, BIG government is responsible
when they take away freedoms, round you up against your will and throw you in an
oven or gas chamber. ============ You do realize that
the Nazis [and Fascism] were a radical far right-wing extremist political party,
don't you?The people they rounded-up:Liberals,Communists,homosexuals, Non-Christans, Immigrants, poor and the Homeless, etc.Yes, I fear BIG Government, but only because the same sort of radical far-right-wing in America could come
into power, and do those same sorts of things.BTW - I lean
left-of-center.I like many aspects of Socialism.Among them is
that Socialist countries can ban on-line pornography, sex, and violence in the
media, they have better control over businesses, have universal
healthcare for their citizens, and they have banned assault rifles.Rather than thinking we have all the answers, and we are always right -
I suggest we look into what others are doing, see what works, and
implement or even improve upon it.America has been doing that since
1776.It's what made us better.Not ignoring the rest of the
world [close-minded], and going it alone.
Regarding gun control, lets look to Barack at his decisions.He had
the choice for the secret service to either carryORnot carryto protect his family.Does anyone know
what barack chose?GUNS.He wants those protecting his
family to carry.I will do.Using barack as my example of
how to protect my family.
Open Minded Mormon,Child sex crimes over the internet is one of the
fastest growing sex crimes in the US. There is an estimated 100,000 fugitive
child sex predators in the US(committee on the judiciary). Just Child
exploitation alone(photos etc) increases at roughly 150% per year. So, by your
logic, it is BIG internet companies fault and you are contributing to it by
using the internet to post and read.The fact is that people choose
to smoke, choose to OD on pills and choose to kill others. In those scenarios
the individual person is responsible for their own actions not BIG companies.
Conversely, BIG government is responsible when they take away freedoms, round
you up against your will and throw you in an oven or gas chamber. Otherwise,
the blame for the millions that Hitler had murdered actually lies with the oven
and gas makers or barbed wire companies that supplied fencing to help keep
people in the concentration camps. Come on.
summit_heightsUSA, UT443,000 Americans die every year from Big
Tobacco.2 Million Americans die every year from Big Pharmacy.300,000
American die every year from Big Oil fossil fuels.32,000 Americans die
every year from Guns.That's just America - and that's each
and every year.Not worldwide, and not over many, many years...[Those
numbers be more like 60 Million deaths per year]So, although
absolutely evil - Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, & General Mao - their
reigns of death pale in comparison those who die for Business and the pursuit of
the all-mighty Dollar $.
Tonight Obama will give a speech, and our leaders will explode with applause,
while giving a standing ovation.Where is happiness in our country?
To "Open Minded Mormon":Ever heard of Pol Pot? Stalin?
Hitler? Mao's "Leap Forward" that killed 45 million in 4 years?
Even the worst of the worst "robber barons" can't compare."Big Business" can be corrupt, yes, but you are not compelled to take
part in what they provide, unless mandated by the state. Which brings us back
to big government.Should the leadership of Walmart or Apple go AWOL,
are they going to send out the gestapo to ensure compliance to their wishes?
No. History teaches us that the same cannot be said for government.
‘GOP to label Obama agenda 'big government'’ - Title And yet, under George W. Bush we had the... Patriot Act TSA Bank bailouts and factually invaded two
countries. Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama did not start any of
these. Under President Regan, the national debt...tripled. Under President George W. Bush, the national debt...doubled. The
debt has not, tripled or doubled under Obama. If you are going to
label the other party as doing something bad? Make sure it's
not something your own party has taken, to new heights.
Open Minded Mormon: "I trust Big Government over Big Business anytime,
anyday..."I just wish I had the same freedom to not support
"Big Government" as you currently do to not support "Big
Well, there are going to be two Republican responses, one from Rubio, one from
Rand Paul. Which voice is the GOP? Both? Neither? Or has the Republican party
become two parties, both sure losers?
I trust Big Government over Big Business anytime, anyday....
Wealth is created, the economy grows, and our standard of living increases when
collectively we put ideas to work and convert our time and energy into real
products and services.We will always need some level of government,
just like every company needs people like security guards, cleaning crews,
lawyers, and tax compliance accountants. But those positions do not add any real
value to the company like the employees who are designing, building, and selling
the company's products do.When government gets too big, its
like a company who hires more people that don't contribute to the
company's bottom line than those who do. Eventually, the company fails.It's like some school districts that have more
"administrators" than teachers. All the money is sucked into
non-productive jobs and the education of the kids suffers.
Barack increased the national debtmore than all otherUS Presidentscombined.Fact.In the
history of our country,our debt has increased more in the past 4 yearsthan the rest of our existencecombined.
" I will cut the deficit in half during my first four years or I'll be
a one term president"barack obambaThe deficit
wasn't cut in half. Wasn't cut by 25%. Didn't even hold
constant. It increased.Barack, dont lie to the american people.
But no new unfunded Iraq style show wars.