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Published: Tuesday, Feb. 12 2013 7:04 a.m. MST

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Salt Lake City, UT

But no new unfunded Iraq style show wars.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

" I will cut the deficit in half during my first four years or I'll be a one term president"

barack obamba

The deficit wasn't cut in half. Wasn't cut by 25%. Didn't even hold constant. It increased.

Barack, dont lie to the american people. It's shameful.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Barack increased the national debt

more than

all other

US Presidents

combined.

Fact.

In the history of our country,

our debt has increased more in the

past 4 years

than the rest of our existence

combined.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

Wealth is created, the economy grows, and our standard of living increases when collectively we put ideas to work and convert our time and energy into real products and services.

We will always need some level of government, just like every company needs people like security guards, cleaning crews, lawyers, and tax compliance accountants. But those positions do not add any real value to the company like the employees who are designing, building, and selling the company's products do.

When government gets too big, its like a company who hires more people that don't contribute to the company's bottom line than those who do. Eventually, the company fails.

It's like some school districts that have more "administrators" than teachers. All the money is sucked into non-productive jobs and the education of the kids suffers.

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Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

I trust Big Government over Big Business anytime, anyday....

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Well, there are going to be two Republican responses, one from Rubio, one from Rand Paul. Which voice is the GOP? Both? Neither? Or has the Republican party become two parties, both sure losers?

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

Open Minded Mormon: "I trust Big Government over Big Business anytime, anyday..."

I just wish I had the same freedom to not support "Big Government" as you currently do to not support "Big Business".

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

‘GOP to label Obama agenda 'big government'’ - Title

And yet, under George W. Bush we had the...

Patriot Act

TSA

Bank bailouts

and factually invaded two countries. Iraq and Afghanistan.

Obama did not start any of these.

Under President Regan, the national debt...tripled.

Under President George W. Bush, the national debt...doubled.

The debt has not, tripled or doubled under Obama.

If you are going to label the other party as doing something bad?

Make sure it's not something your own party has taken, to new heights.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Duh?

summit_heights
USA, UT

To "Open Minded Mormon":

Ever heard of Pol Pot? Stalin? Hitler? Mao's "Leap Forward" that killed 45 million in 4 years? Even the worst of the worst "robber barons" can't compare.

"Big Business" can be corrupt, yes, but you are not compelled to take part in what they provide, unless mandated by the state. Which brings us back to big government.

Should the leadership of Walmart or Apple go AWOL, are they going to send out the gestapo to ensure compliance to their wishes? No. History teaches us that the same cannot be said for government.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Tonight Obama will give a speech, and our leaders will explode with applause, while giving a standing ovation.

Where is happiness in our country?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

summit_heights
USA, UT

443,000 Americans die every year from Big Tobacco.
2 Million Americans die every year from Big Pharmacy.
300,000 American die every year from Big Oil fossil fuels.
32,000 Americans die every year from Guns.

That's just America - and that's each and every year.
Not worldwide, and not over many, many years...
[Those numbers be more like 60 Million deaths per year]

So, although absolutely evil - Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, & General Mao -
their reigns of death pale in comparison those who die for Business and the pursuit of the all-mighty Dollar $.

VST
Bountiful, UT

Here are the REAL numbers (in dollars) on the history of the national deficit:

- The total National Debt at the end of Bill Clinton's second term – $5.66 trillion.

- The amount of National Debt added during the eight GW Bush years – $5.03 trillion.

- The amount of National Debt added during the four Obama years – $5.73 trillion.

Side Note: Expenditures that add to the national deficit are authorized by the Congress – not the President.

Badger55
Nibley, Ut

Open Minded Mormon,
Child sex crimes over the internet is one of the fastest growing sex crimes in the US. There is an estimated 100,000 fugitive child sex predators in the US(committee on the judiciary). Just Child exploitation alone(photos etc) increases at roughly 150% per year. So, by your logic, it is BIG internet companies fault and you are contributing to it by using the internet to post and read.

The fact is that people choose to smoke, choose to OD on pills and choose to kill others. In those scenarios the individual person is responsible for their own actions not BIG companies. Conversely, BIG government is responsible when they take away freedoms, round you up against your will and throw you in an oven or gas chamber. Otherwise, the blame for the millions that Hitler had murdered actually lies with the oven and gas makers or barbed wire companies that supplied fencing to help keep people in the concentration camps. Come on.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Regarding gun control, lets look to Barack at his decisions.

He had the choice for the secret service to either

carry

OR

not carry

to protect his family.

Does anyone know what barack chose?

GUNS.

He wants those protecting his family to carry.

I will do.

Using barack as my example of how to protect my family.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Badger55
Nibley, Ut

Conversely, BIG government is responsible when they take away freedoms, round you up against your will and throw you in an oven or gas chamber.

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You do realize that the Nazis [and Fascism] were a radical far right-wing extremist political party, don't you?

The people they rounded-up:

Liberals,
Communists,
homosexuals,
Non-Christans,
Immigrants,
poor and the Homeless,
etc.

Yes, I fear BIG Government,
but only because the same sort of radical far-right-wing in America could come into power, and do those same sorts of things.

BTW - I lean left-of-center.
I like many aspects of Socialism.

Among them is that Socialist countries can ban on-line pornography, sex, and violence in the media,
they have better control over businesses,
have universal healthcare for their citizens,
and they have banned assault rifles.

Rather than thinking we have all the answers, and we are always right -
I suggest we look into what others are doing, see what works, and implement or even improve upon it.

America has been doing that since 1776.
It's what made us better.
Not ignoring the rest of the world [close-minded], and going it alone.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

So basically they will push the same agenda that has failed them for the past six years.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

What, Obama is big government?!! Since when did that happen? When I was watching the 2008 campaign, he said that Bush's deficits were wrong, and that government solutions don't work. Now they say that Obama is a "big government" politician!! The outrage.

In other news, zebras have stripes and Lions have been found in Africa.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Open Minded Mormon" I don't think you understand conservatives.

You said that "I fear BIG Government, but only because the same sort of radical far-right-wing in America could come into power, and do those same sorts of things." Yet it is the conservatives that are wanting to make government smaller and less intrusive.

So, which is it, do you fear big government, or do you fear having to take care of yourself?

You should also realize that as we have marched towards socialism over the past 100 years, we have slowly been decreasing our strength and economic growth. All of that while destroying the middle class (socialism does that so that you have the elites running things, then everybody else).

Socialist countries like Switzerland have banned assault rifles, I thought that they put one of those into every house there.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

Open minded Mormon: "2 Million Americans die every year from Big Pharmacy. 300,000 American die every year from Big Oil fossil fuels. 32,000 Americans die every year from Guns."

Even if your numbers are true (which I doubt) - How many people didn't die last year because of "Big Pharmacy"? How many people didn't freeze to death or die from uncooked food because of "Big Oil"? How many people were not killed because a gun was there to protect them (either their own gun or one used by a police officer)?

Big business is no saint, but it isn't the boogey-man you portray either. Something tells me the true answers to my questions will yield a much higher number than yours.

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