Comments about ‘Delay on gay marriage debate not a sign of victory’

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Published: Sunday, Feb. 10 2013 9:31 a.m. MST

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JanSan
Pocatello, ID

At the time that I read these comments there were 17 of them.
Remembering that this is an LDS newspaper written for generally LDS people, It was interesting to note that out of the 17 comments 11 1/2 of them were against LDS doctrine on this subject.

Just interesting to me that so many people feel the need to get on this paper and put down our religion with so much intent!

I think that it is really sad that an LDS person cannot even come to and LDS newspaper and not have deal with religious persecution.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@JanSan
You wrote: "I think that it is really sad that an LDS person cannot even come to and LDS newspaper and not have deal with religious persecution"

Religious persecution? What are you talking about?. Difference of opinions constitutes ...Persecution? You must have a fragile concept of self.

You wrote:
"Remembering that this is an LDS newspaper written for generally LDS people, It was interesting to note that out of the 17 comments 11 1/2 of them were against LDS doctrine on this subject"

I can assure you that most of our names are registered and counted by the LDS church when releases their statistics in number of members of the Church.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@Lost in DC
You wrote:
"Just because someone cannot find the person they want to marry does not mean they do not have the right to marry"

Conversely, if you find the person you want to marry and this person reciprocates the feeling and the desire to marry you. Shouldn't you be able to marry? Why "your" religious taboos should have an impact in secular society?

That is the situation here. Adult, responsible citizens find each other, yet, they are prevented from marrying each other. While at the same time other adults, responsible citizens are able to join their lives in an agreement sanctioned by society. That is not equal under the law.

Lost in DC, you have the right to believe whatever you want to believe, But the SCOTUS needs and will re-affirm that your believes do not impose a form of tyranny on a minority.

Lost in DC, I hope you feel free and happy to join the one you love. I wish I could feel the same.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@lost;

Still wandering around in the dark? Would you like a little light? All you have to do is ask.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@lost
Where in any navigate law is it required that you be able to procreate? Whee in science or the law does it say you must be married to procreate? Why does it matter if a couple uses outside help to procreate? where is the socital interest? However Race and sexuality are related because both have been used to systematically discriminate against a segment of society for no logo are reason.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

JanSan
Pocatello, ID
At the time that I read these comments there were 17 of them.
Remembering that this is an LDS newspaper written for generally LDS people, It was interesting to note that out of the 17 comments 11 1/2 of them were against LDS doctrine on this subject.

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Interesting....

The LDS Church supported anti-discrimination laws directed toward the LGBT community.
The GOP members of the Utah State Legislature (many LDS) -- shot them down, against the suggestion of the Brethern, and claimed "religion" was their motive to continue their laws of bigotry.

Who do I believe?
The Brethern/sisters in LDS leadership?
or
Utah Mormons, their culture, and the Republican Party?

The LDS church has good gay and lesbian members.
I love them, and respenct them even more than those who are so-called 'normal'.
They have the deck stacked against them, yet still keep their faith.

Perhaps - once again - it is the "members" and the "culture" who are wrong, and are not following the council or are not in harmony of the teachings of the Church.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@jansan
Interesting that you would openly question others faith.

EW
HENRIETTA, NY

@ spring street, actually the study you cite used well-to-do homosexual couples only, not ones reflective of the population at large, nor did those studies ask the grown children directly about their well-being. Someone did one of those studies during the past few years and found that yes, traditional marriage produces the most stable offspring by interviewing both homosexual parents and grown children.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@EW
that is interesting, would you please site your sources? i would like to read them.

Admiring Gentile
Salt Lake City, UT

@cjb

You can't make a sound argument with the word "ought" unless you can back up your "oughts" with facts. And there's no facts that say children raised by gays have a disadvantage of children raised by straights, not as long as the home is loving, nourishing and supportive.

As for your statement that "heterosexual couples can't adopt for lack of available children," surely you must be joking. There are more than enough (too many, in fact) children waiting to be adopted, both in the USA and internationally. You can't seriously be implying that gays are *competing* with straights for a limited number of adoptees???

observator
east of the snake river, ID

OK. I think I've read and re-read these arguments enough. We're asking the wrong question entirely here, every time this comes up.

In the United States, we no longer have laws against basic associations. You can set up house with any other consenting adult you care to set up house with. Even SLC passed their equal housing ordinance not long ago.

The question we should be asking, which no one seems to bother asking, is WHY in the world should I be required to register my partnership, of any kind, with the government? To quote CS Lewis from Shadowlands, "A marriage is a declaration before God, not some government official." What compelling interest does the government have in registering marriages? It's not a question of whether you have a "right" to associate or cohabit. Why should the government force you to fill out paperwork about it.

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