Well that's interesting jsf, you get your nose all out of joint about
someone making assumptions about you, but you make huge assumptions in your
first post about Martek Global Services. You have no clue what steps they have
taken to limit their carbon footprint. One word for that is hypocrite.
The main thing to remember is that none of your tactics will work. If people
stay home from work they will drive somewhere else.
It is seriously hurting the economy. A few years ago I came to Utah because my
parents move there. I was heavily recruited by a firm. They are desperate to
get people in my field with average salaries in the 6 figures. But you have to
have the equivalent of a Ph.D. to qualify. Bottom line there are about 30
openings for every applicant nationwide. I didn't take the job and since
then have been turned off by continued efforts to try to lure me to Utah. The
air pollution is a major contributing factor in my decision, perhaps the major
contributing factor. I have asthma and can't handle the bad days there.
The company still has not filled the position well and it's been some years
now. How many others are like me? Sure you can get a Chicago-ite
and an LA-ite to come in. They are used to it.
**'Study says coal burning in Utah kills 202 a year' - AP - Published
by DSNews – 10/19/10 Remember... it's mostly
Hugger kudos on the hydro - remember to get your FERC permits and license, and
The Army Corp. of Engineers approvals for stream bed alteraqtions, and the water
share owners for diversion of their water.
"I drive a Mercedes Benz, diesel, on free used vegetable oil" This is
as high a polluter as any oil burner out there. See the German studies of how
bad burning vegetable oil is on pollution. "My LDS Stake Center
is 100% Green, Solar powered." Not your doing, don't try to take
credit."I SERIOUSLY doubt it, jsf." Given you know nothing
about me, I also have a super insulated home we built. Incorporated many energy
saving components of a double walled solar home. So don't get so high and
mighty. Claiming your carbon foot print is 10% of mine. Really, how bogus can
Repubs don't care. Clean air is just another liberal agenda item seeking to
destroy freedom, liberty and ummmm freedom.
@Baron Scarpia"The IOC will not allow the Games to be held in a state
with one of the world's worst air sheds."I have one word
and one number to use as a counterargument... Beijing 2008. @Miss
Piggie"That 'bad air' you see our there is mostly moisture
in the are, commonly called 'fog.'"And the 2-4x
national air quality standard PM2.5 concentrations are?
jsfCenterville, UT"don't pollute the air. What kind of
Mormon are you?"Apparently as good as you as you drive, power
your home, and continue to pollute.11:17 a.m. Feb. 11, 2013============= I SERIOUSLY doubt it, jsf.I drive a
Mercedes Benz, diesel, on free used vegatble oil from local resturants and get
over 40+ mpg.I have super-insulated our house, installed a geo-thermal
heat pump, solar panels and wind turbine.[Presently working on installing
hydro-electric].100% of our lights are CFL and LED, have been for
years.My family has been recycling for over 28 years.My carbon
foot-print is 10% as much as yours.Meaning - a full 90% reduction in
pollutants, or able to support 10times as many Utahns (30 Million) at our
current burn levels.[That would support our current standard of living
with future population growth, at current consumption rate for the next 180
years].FYI - My LDS Stake Center is 100% Green, Solar powered.Those who do not change, improve, progess, or perfect will perish.It's an eternal principle.
Irony of the Week: Why don't conservatives have any interest in conserving?
Drill it, burn it, choke on it--as long as the big boys can make a buck off of
it. That's the GOP way.
To those of you who are accusing the proactive, conservation-minded individuals
here of being hypocrites because they haven't adopted a completely Luddite
lifestyle:I've turned down my thermostat, I'm using more
ambient lighting instead of electric lights in my home and office, and I
recently joined a van-pool rather than driving my vehicle to work solo. The
slogan used by the "Slow the Flow" campaign in the summertime,
"Remember, if we each save a little, we'll all save a lot" applies
just as much to breathable air as it does to water.So . . . what are
YOU doing to contribute more to the solution, and less to the problem??
"don't pollute the air. What kind of Mormon are you?"Apparently as good as you as you drive, power your home, and continue to
The Letter of the law Mormon believes - tobacco is bad for the body, one should
not smoke.The Spirit of the law Mormon believes - pollution, is just
as bad for the body as tobacco is - even worse - and directly effects 100,000
more people, don't pollute the air.What kind of Mormon are you?
Miss Piggie,"That 'bad air' you see our there is
mostly moisture in the are, commonly called 'fog.'"And
raw sewage is mostly liquid water. Your point?
wrz -- the suggestion that people stop living is silly. We are all stuck with
the technology now available. We have to live with it. We cannot simply stop
driving or using electricity or fuels.The anti-environment cry of
"Stop driving" is just plain dumb.What might happen if all
of us pitched in a started looking cooperatively for good solutions instead of
attacking one another?If we refuse to seek good solutions,
we'll never find them.
@Pagan: "I am not the one contributing the greatest amount to the poor air
quality in Utah."If you drive a car, heat your house, buy stuff
such as groceries, clothes, supplies... you are a contributor... one of many."Blaming the victims of air pollution, based on zero evidence no
less..."How do you get to and from your place of employment and
heat your house? Or do you walk to work and sit home in a dark, cold house?You need to stop blaming businesses for all the pollution."...makes you look like a bully."Makes you look
You could help if you'd turn off everything you own that uses power. -
wrz **'EPA inventory shows Utah's sources of greenhouse
gas' - By Amy Joi O'Donoghue - 02/05/13 - Published by the Deseret
News 'WASHINGTON — The nation's power plants
continue to be the single largest stationary source of greenhouse gas emissions,
according to new information released Tuesday by the Environmental Protection
Agency.' I, am not the one contributing the greatest amount to
the poor air quality in Utah. Blaming the victims of air pollution,
based on zero evidence no less, makes you look like a bully.
@Baron Scarpia: "The IOC will not allow the Games to be held in a state with
one of the world's worst air sheds."Not to worry... the
winter Olympics takes place above the inversion... where the air is clear.
@Pagan: "At what point are human lives... going to be put over the needs of
business?"You could help if you'd turn off everything you
own that uses power. Start with parking your car and either walking or riding a
bike... Oh, and make sure your bike was manufactured by a firm that didn't
use any power. I think you might find a remote shop in China that makes bikes
with muscle power. Check the label.
That 'bad air' you see our there is mostly moisture in the are,
commonly called 'fog.'Besides if you want all the power
producing plants shut down, I might lose my job... and you might, too. So, stop
What a great sacrifice for all of us, Martek Global Services Inc, will close
their doors, shut off their lights and hide in their basements during the
inversions. We thank you and all others willing to not blame and demand others
take an economic hit during the inversions, but show they are leaders. Oh wait
you didn't, you want others to make your air clean but you didn't.
This is progressivizm at its best.
The legislature has already held hearings on the subject that bad air is hurting
business development. One story reported in the Trib a few months ago was that
a delegration of business representative came to Utah, but cut their visit short
as they saw how bad the air was and decided it didn't need to tour the
state regarding its "amenities" for their employees. The
other issue is that Utah's ability to host a future Olympics is not totally
unobtainable. The IOC will not allow the Games to be held in a state with one
of the world's worst air sheds.
**'Lung Association slams Utah areas for bad air' - By Amy Joi
O'Donoghue - DSNews - 04/30/09**'Study says coal burning
in Utah kills 202 a year' - AP - Published by DSNews - 10/19/10**'EPA inventory shows Utah's sources of greenhouse gas' - By
Amy Joi O'Donoghue - 02/05/13 - Published by the Deseret News
At what point are human lives... going to be put over the needs of