@ J Thompson 6:39 p.m. Feb. 12Oh, boohoo. Beck, Hannity, &
Rushie use the same tactics and you more than likely think they are valiant
crusaders for all that is decent. Untwist that! If we were to truly
& honestly live w/o being compelled; Thats means no, none, zero Organized
DektolPowell, OHYep, Billy the Kid, John Dillinger and Al Capone
watched too much violent TV as kids.Get real - RoadRunner cartoons show
violence all the time.Have you tried to enjoy those old Bugs Bunny
and Road Runner cartoons with your kids? The Bugs Bunny ones are so edited, to
cut out the gunshots, that they don't even make sense. Seems
like the left has had their way with censorship. But long live the
realistic shoot-em-up video games, and graphic 'sax' and
'violins' in movies!
Open Minded Mormon/LDS Liberal,You're still twisting words,
aren't you? In your constant attacks of Mike Richards, RedHat and me, you
resort to total fabrications. How does that square with your choice of
"names"?How does using self-restraint equate to
"force"? When Christ said to be perfect, was that "force" or was
it an invitation to leave all self-glory behind? You have told us in post after
post that government is the answer to society's problems, even as you mock
anyone who reminds us that the Lord expects us to overcome all appetites and
passions, including the "passion" of watching violent movies.There is only one way that violence will ever leave society and that's
when people - people like you and me - overcome the natural man and choose to
live a righteous life - without being compelled.
Tyler DMeridian, IDtouché !
@Mike Richards – “When you're ready, please contact me and
I've send two representatives authorized to represent Jesus Christ to help
you learn how God answers honest inquiries.”I don’t know
Mike… if I’m going to convert to a religion it would only be because
it would help me be a better person (e.g., more kind, compassionate, ethical,
responsible, sensible, etc…). Would you say you are a fair representative
of what your religion has to offer in that regard?
Since sandyhook, Around 1300 gun deaths in america. In Japan ZERO. Japan has
acess to the same video games and movies as we do, but the difference is they
have common sense gun control laws. So much for your theorie.!!
Yep, Billy the Kid, John Dillinger and Al Capone watched too much violent TV as
kids.Get real - RoadRunner cartoons show violence all the time.
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahGod does not force us. Prophets
do not force us. =============So why do you want to
@ Tyler D.Why not ask God who his prophet is? When you're
ready to accept His answer and act on it, He will lead you to someone who can
teach you how to find answers to spiritual things. When you're ready,
please contact me and I've send two representatives authorized to represent
Jesus Christ to help you learn how God answers honest inquiries.As
to "repeated" exposure to Hollywood's offerings: Why does anyone
ever have to have multiple exposures to any media? We know right from wrong.
There is a spirit in each of us that is sensitive to right and wrong. That
spirit cannot be fooled by the appetites and passions of the physical body. It
knows what lifts us and it knows what can destroys us. With that knowledge we
are perfectly capable of choosing what to accept and what to reject. God does not force us. Prophets do not force us. We are free to choose for
ourselves what we do with our lives. We are also free to enjoy or suffer the
natural consequences of our choices. Self-control is how we avoid unwanted
There was a time once when movies and television shows featured good people
doing good things. I just watched "Shenandoah" with Jimmy Stewart. It
contained violence, but the story was uplifting.If I remember
correctly "Driving Miss Daisy" and "A Trip to Bountiful" raked
in millions.I remember, too, the head dog at FOX TV network telling
everyone a few years ago that he and his network were "not only going to
push the envelope, but burst through it."I question if this is
what Americans really WANT in entertainment, or if we have simply become too
culturally stupid to object to being fed a constant stream of garbage.I vote with my dollars and refuse to attend a movie or watch a TV show
that's not worth watching. I also write and email sponsors to let them
know that I will not buy any of their products as long as they are sponsoring
such and such program.It does little good, but I feel better.What would happen if others like me -- and I know there are millions
more -- did the same? Could we actually make a difference?We might.
Shall we try?
@Mike Richards – “As you know, God chooses one spokesman at a time
to represent Him to the entire world, just as He has always done… You may
feel that the Prophet only speaks to fourteen-million people. God disagrees with
you.”Mike,I generally agree with you on the whole
“personal responsibility” thing. And while I don’t believe in
censorship, it seems quite clear (numerous studies back this up) that repeated
imagery impacts our minds for better or worse, as any good psychologist will
tell you (and as the effectiveness of advertising suggests). So they
can deny it all they want, but Hollywood is definitely playing a role in our
moral decline.That said, your quote above just sent chills down my
spine. I can never quite reconcile the dictatorial horrors this mindset (by
implication) is capable of allowing, with your faith’s views on agency.But assuming you’re right, how can you (or anyone) know for
certain that God’s current spokesman is not some guru in India or a
grandfather on a Native American reservation?
It's not either/or. Violence (and sex) in the media is both a response to
consumer demand and a voluntary choice of producers to stimulate demand. It is
both a reflection of societal mores and an attempt to shape societal mores. Whether violence in the media causes increased gun violence in society
is an open question. Back in the good old days of my youth, Hoppalong Cassidy
and the Lone Ranger shot plenty of bad guys; nowadays, it's just more
graphic and extreme. Certainly it's possible that some people play out
what they view, but most don't.
Mr. LDS Liberal,There you go again, making up things and telling
lies. I've read Mike Richards' posts and I cannot find a single
reference of any kind where he wanted the government to do anything about the
movie industry. Why do you make up stories? Why do you tell those kinds of
lies? Is there any other word that describes changing someone's words to
mean the opposite of what he wrote?I agree with Mike Richards. He
told us that each of us has the responsibility to control what we do. You told
us that he wanted the government to regulate the movie industry. Would you be
kind enough to cite exactly where Mike Richards said that? If you can't,
you owe all of us an apology for distorting words. I believe that
posting has some responsibility and that one of those responsibilities is to
tell the truth and at the very least to not change the words that someone
used.Why would anyone leave the responsibility for watching a movie
up to the government? When has the government ever helped the family do the
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahMike, You want Free
Markets, and are against Socialism.Then, You do a complete
180, and want Government to get involved, and ban violent movies from
Hollywood.Which is it?BTW - Socialist coutries CAN and
DO censor sex and violence in the media.So, Are you for or against it?
Joe Blow: "Well Lisa, Welcome to American Capitalism. The entertainment
industry is doing what they believe will make them the most profit."If that were really true, then they would create far less violent movies
and far more family friendly movies because the latter make far more money at
the box office than the former.They also wouldn't fight tooth
and nail to prevent editing of their movies so that they are better suited to a
much wider audience (i.e. make more money).Hollywood certainly likes
making money, but if they have to choose between a little less filth for a bit
more money and keeping the filth in and making a little less, they seem to vote
for the filth every time.
Spring Street,My 7:08 comment was a response to LDS Liberals' 3:50
p.m. comment. There are both liberals and conservatives who are
guilty of producing violent or sexually suggestive movies and television shows.
There are both liberals and conservatives who are guilty of producing movies
that mock the family, that mock religion, that teach children to mock their
parents. There are very few producers who make movies that show good functioning
stable families that solve problems without violence. There are few producers
who make movies showing men and women happily married.We all know
better than to support those producers who degrade society, but few have the
personal courage to boycott those movies and television shows.
@mike richards why are you trying to lay this at the feet of
"liberals" hatred for all things hollywood is clearly a right of passage
for most conservatives. I do appreciate that you finally recognize in at least
this one area that you need to respect others free agency to bad you fail to
extend beyond this one issue.
Nice attempt at deflection Lisa but still to buying it. shall we get back to
talking about sensible gun regulation then?
Movies don't kill people. Guns do.
Liberal,As you know, God chooses one spokesman at a time to
represent Him to the entire world, just as He has always done. Few people
listen to God's prophets. That does not excuse anyone who ignores
God's spokesman. God's spokesman was instructed to present FHE to the
world. You may feel that the Prophet only speaks to fourteen-million people.
God disagrees with you. God gave us agency and He will require an
accounting from each of us on our use of that agency. Using the excuse that
Hollywood offered a product is not a reason to misuse our agency. Since the
time of Cain, mankind has misused agency. All are accountable. None are
exempt. Passing the blame to those who produce and distribute products not only
shows contempt for the great gift of agency but also is an admission that we are
incapable of controlling ourselves.
Mike Richards...I agree with the need for personal responsibility.
OK --I blame Bugs Bunny and the 3 Stooges.There, you feel better.Do you really think Hollywood is responsible?How about the $$$Copmpanies only make those movies because they make money.Are you
suggesting "Socialism", and limit free market capitalism?Good Luck
getting the Right-wingers to support you there.And to answer the
letter wroter question:Which stars are willing to take up this
"cause"?I don't know - but Bruce Willis is a hardcore
Pro-Gun Advocate, so you can count the Pro-Gun people out.Mike
Richards -- You are once again suggesting making Family Home Evening an
American requirement.I'm still against you for it.
So Lisa, you've seen some graphic, disturbing scenes on TV, were you
tempted to go out and commit violent acts? Probably not. It is my opinion that
those that are tempted to react from these imagines are already unstable, have
mental health issues or both. Not sure you can 'blame' movies, video
games, TV or music.
There is another intersting side to this coin. HOw often do we hear the
majority of Eagle Scouts and Seminary and Institute graduates go on a mission
and get married in the temple. That is true, However I wonder is the reason
that is true is because the type of people that graduate from Seminary and
INstitute and are EAgles are the types that would go on missions and get married
in the temple.Same for violence, It may have an effect However I
wonder if the same type of people that watch pornography and violent movies are
the same type that are violent. Just happen to watch movies that depict what
they do in real life. Not everyone that watches violent movies is that way.
Just wonder if the same type of people that watch violent movies are more
inclined to violence anyway. After all Ghenghis Kahn, Adolf
HItler, JOseph Stalin did violent movies cause there violence?
@MikeRichards"Many of us living in Utah have been advised to
spend Monday evenings with our families and to use that time to grow together as
a family."How's that working? That same group warns against
the dangers of pornography. Utah has the highest internet porn rate in the
country, with the "family values", Utah County crowd, leading the State.
We should remember that the entertainment business is just that- a business.
All the stuff about art from directors and producers is great but, first and
last, movies must make money to keep being made. They'll keep making
violent movies as long as the moviegoing public keeps throwing money away to
watch them. As a public we mourn the deaths from violence, demand that
something be done to stop it, then tune into ever more violent television
programming and buy tickets to ever more violent films. We live in a
violence-soaked culture of our own making.
Lisa, I do disagree pretty strongly. Surely you know that depiction does not
suggest advocacy, and that it's perfectly possible for violent images to be
used to attack actual violence. I would agree that Hollywood films promote a
completely unrealistic fantasy about what constitutes heroism. But let's
make something like Taken 2 the poster child for Hollywood violence, not a film
like Django Unchained, a deconstruction of violent narratives.
I can't remember ever being forced to attend a movie or being chained to a
chair and forced to watch television. Personal choice is what we should be
discussing. Just because someone in Hollywood used his agency to produce a
violent product does not mean that we have to use our agency to buy that
product.Let's put the real blame and the real responsibility
where it belongs - with the individual. Many of us living in Utah have been
advised to spend Monday evenings with our families and to use that time to grow
together as a family. We have also been advised to use part of that time to
help our children understand how to make proper decisions - and the natural
consequences that follow every decision that we make. In our family, we used
some of that time to discuss movies, music and other entertainment. If no one supported violent movies and violent TV shows, just how long would
those types of entertainment continue to be produced?
Personally I think it's about time the greeks and others took some
responsibility for violent trash like the Illyd, or the Odyssey. and how about
Jewish epic the old testemant?
"It is time for the entertainment industry to take responsibility for
creating and adding to violence in America. "Well Lisa, Welcome
to American Capitalism. The entertainment industry is doing what they believe
will make them the most profit.So, we either live with what they
produce and vote with your pocketbook, or regulate them.What do you
The entertainment industry will cop to this 16 seconds after Wall St admits to
being Greedy, self-absorbed clowns who nearly wrecked the global economy.
Violence has a reason. And that reason is usually hate. While depiction of
violence might trigger a persons method of violence the true cause for the
violence is hate. The political hate pumps on TV and radio are
probably the root cause of much of today’s hate. The competition between
the warring factions of businessmen is fierce to the point of using every
opportunity to create fear and distrust of the others. It is not so
much that the propaganda dispensed calls for violence but that it plays upon
weaker minds, taking away proper judgment and creating a lethal weapon out of a
person himself. Other hate pumps may be the failures of the
economic system, personal relationships and a thousand other things. All of
these need our attention if we are to actually reduce the incidence of violence
America should take some responsibility for the violence created by the
entertainment industry. We're consumers; we buy this stuff. And these
arguments are obfuscations; side shows that try to deflect attention from the
violent nature a free for all gun culture instills in our society.