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Published: Sunday, Feb. 24 2013 8:30 a.m. MST

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Odgen Sports Fan
Ogden, Utah

Look for Morgan to win it all. This is their year. Noone can stop Miles.

JD Books
Sulphurdale, UT

I don't mind being bashed. Many Alabama football fans get bashed as well. @Bingham Alum makes good points however the real tragedy is that we will never know if Lone Peak and their fantastic 5 could beat the farm boys from Monroe. That is really all I am saying. It would be an ending suitable for the movies, i.e Hoosiers. I would be glad to drive up and give Bingham Alum and Slammer tours of the SS basketball facility so you can see the multiple red and white banners that are hanging there. The other shame is that D1 recruiters don't pay attention to the other D1 talent in our school, like in football or baseball.

joseywales
Park City, UT

OgdenSF- Sorry, I know that Morgan looks like the team to beat, however, just like in football, Morgan can have a great regular season, but chokes in the playoffs. I'm not sure what it is, but they just can't win the big game when they are favored. For their sake, I'm hoping they can do it this year, but I'm just saying, when Morgan looks like the favorite...

hsfootballfan
SLC, UT

JD Books-

You are right, technically we will never know if SS could beat Lone Peak. We will also technically never know if my son's Junior Jazz team could beat the actual Jazz.

Here are the facts. SS has lost 3 games this year. One to a 6-15 West Jordan team, a 25 point loss to a good Bountiful team, and a 15 point loss to an out of state team that Lone Peak beat by 35.

I know comparing point spreads is not always the best way to evaluate teams, but in this case it gives some perspective. Bountiful (who SS lost to by 25) has also lost 3 games this year. Bingham, American Fork, and Denver East. Lone Peak has played all 3 teams. LP beat Denver East by 20, Bingham by 35, and American Fork by 37 and 25. Which amounts to a 30 point average margin of victory.

Might I add, after watching Lone Peak on three different occasions this year, they could AVERAGE 40 to 45 point victories every game if they chose. In all three games I watched, they were up by 40 after 3 before the JV finished the game.

TDowEsq
Heber City, UT

Is anyone giving Wasatch a chance against Spanish Fork?

aunt lucy
Looneyville, UT

Much is said about wasacth academy recruiting players. I dare anyone to count the number of boys who moved to Monroe to play basketball in recent years. Both programs have been greatly benefited by out of town talent.

joseywales
Park City, UT

So, every year it seems that some smaller classification team that is doing very well within their division, seems to think that they could play with the big boys. And to be honest, sometimes they can. So in wrestling this year there will be a "super state" tourney next week with all the placers in 1-5A going at it to see just who is the best. Maybe basketball could do the same? Take the top 2 or 3 teams in each classification and put them in a tourney the week after state finals wrap up. Maybe we could get the dream SS vs. LP matchup? There is no better place to settle it than on the hardwood.

TDowEsq
Heber City, UT

Super state for playoff in basketball is an awesome idea. Perhaps something like: 1A runner-up plays 2A winner, 2A runner up plays 1A runner up.... winners play 3A winner and runner-up.... winners play 4A winner and runner-up... winners play 5A winner and runner-up and then 1 game to rule them all. Perhaps the BCS folks can help us figure this out by lending us their super-computers and we can always add a human polling factor...

Odgen Sports Fan
Ogden, Utah

Wasatch will definitely beat Spanish Fork. All of Reg 12 was overrated. As was evidenced by Reg 11 almost sweeping them. Ogden could of/should of beat them.
Josey - Morgan will win it all. They have been beating everyone by big numbers and 3A is weaker this year than before.

joshloftin
Salt Lake City, UT

First, go Wasatch Academy -- I am an alumnus and currently work there. Hopefully, I can clarify a couple of things.

1. No current Wasatch Academy players have committed to Div. 1 schools. The seniors are all good kids (and students) who bring leadership and toughness, but none have been recruited. There are three underclassmen who start who will likely generate Div. 1 interest, Geno Luzcando (a junior), Cody John (a sophomore), and a freshman Koby McEwan. Yes, if WA and South Sevier play, there are potentially 5-6 Div. 1 players on the floor, but only SS kids are old enough to commit. (BTW, Race Parsons will make SUU fans very happy.)

2. For those confused by Wasatch Academy's diversity, realize 35+ countries from 5 continents are represented at our boarding school. Very few of them are star athletes. For basketball, however, we have an amazing head coach who puts academics first, so players come to Wasatch Academy because they want to excel on the court and off the court. We feel lucky to have them.

About the tourney: If (when) WA and SS meet, it will be an incredible game--watch it online. My prediction: Tigers win, but it's close.

Sportsfan#1
Spanish Fork , UT

Spanish fork will not lose to Wasatch. Wasatch doesn't have the shooters, size or athletes to keep them into the game.

JD Books
Sulphurdale, UT

The multi classification playoffs are a great idea that has already been presented to UHSAA but they say no because it is a dead period and some schools are starting baseball.

I too belive that it will be close between Wasatch Academy and SS but these farm boys have hauled hay and milked the cows together for years and that toughness will win out.

nebocreek
Nephi, UT

To say that private/charter schools don't "recruit" is stretching the facts. If you went to the 2A tourney it is very apparent. I know they don't "recruit" athletes they "recruit" students. But lets be honest, any coach at any of these schools want to recruit good students that know how to play basketball and just happen to be 6'8". I am all for letting them go after whoever they want-- just put them into their own league and let the other public schools schedule them as non-league games. The playing field is not level- especially at the 1A/2A/3A level. I think the UHSAA should at least make them play up 1 classification. Of the 16 teams in the 2A tournament- 6 of them were private/charter schools. Of the 22 schools in the classification 7 are private/charter schools. What ever happened to playing with what comes from your community/school boundaries, the good years the bad years -- The fact is that for the most part the BOT doesn't really much care about anything below the 3A level anyway

JD Books
Sulphurdale, UT

Many on the various blogs have commented that SS recruits players. That is hogwash. How can anyone blame a kid who is willing to play basketball 365 days a year for wanting to go play for a coaching staff who is arguably the best in the state or play in a place where state championship banners adorn the gym or have a chance to hoist a gold trophy in hoops every year. Hunt can't control that, he takes what he is given.

football43
Morgan, UT

JD Brooks

In the late 70's they had a tournament that included all classifications. At the time there were only 4 classifications. 4A champion West High (Scott Runia BYU), 3A champ Davis (Dean Hunger Hunger,Utah State) and 2A champ Cedar (Coby Leavitt, Utes) and the 1A school who I cant remember. It played out 4A, 3A, 2A and then 1A last. The championship game ended up with West beating Davis in an incredible game. I would live to see that type of tournament this year but I would bet it would end up the same. The only game I might switch is 2A might beat 3A this year. I think 2A is up and 3A is down a little.

Sportsfan#1
Spanish Fork , UT

Spanish Fork will not lose to Wasatch! Spanish has to good of shooters, they are to big and have to good of athletes. Sf by 9 and will see Morgan in the semis.

TDowEsq
Heber City, UT

The S.F."Dons" may indeed beat the Wasatch "Wasps" (not to be confused with the excellent Wasatch Academy "Tigers" - which parenthetically, are worthy of the praise they've received in this thread). However, please note that one of the few losses that Dons suffered this year was against the team (Desert Hills) that the Wasps fortunately just defeated (NICE UPSET) on their home floor. The Dons loss to Desert Hills was a true road game... and that makes handicapping the Dons v. Wasps game difficult.

joseywales
Park City, UT

Wasatch does seem to be peaking at just the right time, so the game against SF might be a lot better than most think. The coach has finally gotten over his "senioritis" (playing seniors mostly) and has finally given some of the more talented players their shot, and it's working by way of more wins. I noticed this in the difference in the two games played against PC, the first, which PC won, Wasatch played their older kids and weren't very effective, the second game which Wasatch won handily, they played a few underclassmen who looked a little quicker and more decisive in their shot taking. Should be a good game.

Odgen Sports Fan
Ogden, Utah

It doesnt matter who wins the SF/Wasatch game anyway. Morgan will clean the floor with either of them. They are the deepest team in the 3A. As JD Books says - Morgan will hoist the gold on Saturday.

TDowEsq
Heber City, UT

It looks like Morgan will win 3A this year.... however, it is important not to get ahead of ourselves... Morgan will need to defeat a good Cedar side, beat the SF/Wasatch winner and then beat the winner of the other side of the bracket (which may be a familiar Region foe or Judge or Snow Canyon) before they can "hoist the gold on Saturday". However, I think it curious that Morgan's head coach scouted a couple of Wasatch region games these last few weeks (especially since Morgan defeated the Wasps in the pre-season and clearly has nothing to worry about from a 10-13 team!).... Perhaps coach Wiscombe is aware of history.... that Morgan may need to defeat the Wasps (which his teams were unable to do in the 2011 final, 2010 quarter-final, the 2008 first round, 2004 semi-final) to get to their first championship in 39 years. In fact, the most common team to reach the finals over the past 11 seasons has been... yep, you guessed it... the winner of the Spanish Fork/WHS game (WHS 52/SF 43), "hoisting gold" 4 of 7 times during that 11 year span. Go Wasps!!!

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