Pagan,you quote an old headline from 2011? I guess you missed the fact
(or just chose to IGNORE it), that the repubs and BO reached a deal to delay
sequestration. in that deal, the repubs compromised on taxes. BO has FAILED to
outline ANY spending cuts. and I see you revert to your favorite,
desparate cry - IT'S BUSH'S FAULT. after 4 years, no, it is not.Fred 44,according to BLS figures, the average monthly unemployment
rate during bush's term was 5.3%. Under BO it's been 9.0%. a family of 4 with $50k saw their taxes cut by 700 basis poinst (500 bp rate
cut and doubling the chld tax credit) the same family making $150,000 saw their
rates cut only 460 basis point - 460bp rate cut and they don't qualify for
the chld tax credit.so much for your claim the tax cut hurt the poor
and middle class and only benefitted the wealthy or that the economy did not
respond. Only after the barney frank-induced housing bubble collapsed did the
economy lose the ground it had gained
Can we please take emotion and manipulation out of the income tax debates? If
our elected officials call for a 40% income tax to balance the budget, then let
every person who earns an income pay 40%...no exceptions, no deductions. That means if you earn $10,000 dollars a year, $4000 would be your fair
share and if you earned $100,000, $40,000 would be your fair share. No emotion,
When taxes were cut on the rich the rich paid more taxes than ever as their
businesses improved. This is a bankrupt country and better get its house in
order. We need fewer regulations, fewer Federal workers, and those remaining at
lower salaries and pensions. We need strong job growth. We need some adults in
worf,How did cutting taxes on the rich work to "stimulate"
the economy? It made the rich richer and the rest of America poorer.
How's taxing the rich working out?
Pagan, we understand your point of view, there are many of your friends out
there. Most of usknow we are badly led in our country and need reform.
Chicago has a reputation of turning out bad acting politicians for decades.
What kind of disruption and crisis do we need to learn this lesson.
So CUT already! And then cut again! And again!Start by firing the
60,000 IRS auditors hired by Obama to squeeze every penny possible from the
middle class.They audited me for 2009, saying I owed $14K. 18
months later, I wrote them a check for $232, which is the real amount of my
undocumented deductions.Now I get an audit notice for 2010. How
much will they waste over the next 12 months before they wring another $200 out
of me?This administration LOVES to waste taxpayer money, and then
ask for more.Look at the 3 trips around the world Ms. Clinton took
in 4 years, spending more than any SoS in history, with nothing to show for it
other than a well stamped passport....Cut, cut and cut again!!!
Obama whiehouse came up with sequester so he could he elected. But he just
figured out that it would ruin his legacy. The house has passed budgets. The
Senate has not for four years. They have been listening to the
Amateur/potus/Harry . Choose one.
(PaganNo Pagan, Obama is dishonorable because he Lies a lot. - m.g.
scottAny evidence?Because when I present evidence,
it's 'not' evidence because 'lies, by the way are as much
about what is 'not' reported, as what is reported.')*
a lie--"your taxes will not go up a single dime in any form"* a
lie--"I will cut the deficit in half during my first term"* a
lie--"if we haven't got this turned around in three years, then
it's a one term proposition.* a lie--"all this Bush spending is
irresponsible, and unpatriotic, I'll turn this around".What
George Bush did years ago, is not evidence, for excusing Obama of his
incompetency.Blaming are just cheap shots.
Isn't Congress not the President responsible for the budget? I believe
that is what it says in the Constitution.
Obama forgets(a long with a lot of other people) that he was involved in the
sequestration. Yet, he can look down on congress and pass blame to them like he
was just elected for the first time and had nothing to do with this mess.
Congress is to blame as well, but Obama's lack of leadership has created a
mess with the budget. His 'my way or the highway' attitude has
backfired and he is finding out that coercion is not a quality of leadership.
Obama often quotes Abraham Lincoln, but he either does not understand what made
Lincoln great or chooses not to express Lincoln's leadership qualities
through his own actions. One of Lincoln's core principals when it came to
leadership was kind unassuming persuasion."If you would win a
man to your cause, first convince him that you are his sincere friend. Therein
is a drop of honey that catches his heart, which, say what he will, is the great
highroad to his reason, and which, once gained, you will find but little trouble
in convincing him of the justice of your cause, if indeed that cause is really a
good one."-Abraham Lincoln
How about cutting the bill that was passed before it was read...Obamacare.
Pagan:* sixteen trillion dollar debt* much of our population
on welfare* high unemployment* half our college graduates from
Asia* Mexican cartels with AFT guns--WMDs to EgyptThis is no
accident. We don't have honorable leadership.
No Pagan, Obama is dishonorable because he Lies a lot. - m.g. scott
Any evidence? Because when I present evidence, it's
'not' evidence because 'lies, by the way are as much about what
is 'not' reported, as what is reported.' When you can
verify something is a lie, that's fine. When you can't,
and it's not factually true, what are YOU doing? "The Iraqi
regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is
seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W. Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002 *'George W Bush says Iraq intelligence failure is his biggest
regret' - By Alex Spillius - 12/01/08 - The UK telegraph'Though the outgoing US president failed to take responsibility for the
misfortunes that have beset the country during his eight years in office, he was
candid about wishing things had gone better.'
No Pagan, Obama is dishonorable because he Lies a lot. And by the way, a lot of
so called journalists (like AP types and mainstream news networks) lie too in
defense of this guy. Lies by the way are as much about what is NOT reported as
about what is reported.
We need honorable leaders. - worf Claim: '"We do not
torture,"' - Former President George W. Bush - 11/07/05 - BBC News Debunked: 'George Bush admits US waterboarded 9/11
mastermind' - Paul Owen - By UK Guardian - 06/03/10 Fine
worf. Find one. President Obama is not dishonorable
simply because you disagree with him.
Has our country become filled with:* lyings* deceits*
mischiefs* a variety of hypocricies* murders* lusts*
secret wrong doingsWe need honorable leaders.
I would absolutely love to see the president's plan for fiscal
management.Where is his plan?He speaks of raising taxes
on the rich, but in reality the middle class has or will realize tax increases
because of Obama's policies.Where is his plan for reducing the
uncontrolled entitlement spending? He loves to force Congress to act, and then
he turns around and bashes Republicans.But where is his plan? His style of leadership is one of destruction, and pushing tough
decisions down the road for someone else to deal with.He could be so
much better...if only...he would lead.Lets see your plan for
reducing government spending, President Obama.$Billions of increased
revenue has been passed. Now lets see reductions in spending.
go ahead and cut. We have already raised taxes, but BO has not budged on cuts.
- lost in DC 'Republicans BAIL on budget talks, blame
Democrats' - By David Espo - AP - Published by DSNews - 06/23/11 WASHINGTON — Republicans pulled out of debt-reduction talks led by Vice
President Joe Biden with a flourish on Thursday, blaming Democrats
for...' Cut the debt. Isn't this what you
wanted? Police, firefighters and teachers to loose their jobs so we can pay for
W's wars? And today, those same people...complain about it.Choose a standard.
go ahead and cut. We have already raised taxes, but BO has not budged on cuts.
And to infer teachers will lose their jobs is disingenuous. The
Federal government does not hire local school teachers, so they cannot fire