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Published: Monday, Feb. 4 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

It is not enough to just keep sex offenders and human and drug traffickers out. The unity, integrity, stability, and well-being of the nation also depends on allowing into the country only those who actually love the country, pledge allegiance to its constitution, and embrace its values, such as respect for one's fellow man, and for the rule of law. This is the primary reason there must never be amnesty, in any form, for those already in the country illegally. By their own, willful actions, they have clearly demonstrated their contempt for this nation, its sovereignty, its laws and its people.

Such a course also would be profoundly unfair -- to the billions around the world who actually want to be Americans and who respectfully wait in line, to those who already have entered this nation legally, and to the millions of Americans who suffer in a wide variety of ways as a direct result of illegal immigration.

It also is unfair to give extreme preference to one nationality or group, as happens now.

Of necessity, there must be controls, and limits. Immigration is not an inherent human right.

Nor does the passage of time grant that right retroactively.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Deport them all! Build a wall!

Wait, we shouldn't do those things?

I'm so confused! I need further instruction from am radio on what to do and what to believe...

killpack
Sandy, UT

As a staunch libertarian, I find it offensive that corrupt governments throughout the world can sit down and draw man-made boarders on a map, and use that as a way to control who can go where. Basically, if you can get a lawyer and pay a bribe, you are free to come and go as you pleas, and that is wrong. On the other hand, if people are going to freely come into this country, only to make this country LESS libertarian by voting for authoritarians, I don't think I am okay with that.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

GOP argument on Immigration : "Why have boundaries? Bad guys are just going to cross them anyway." ;)

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

First of all Mr. Stephens; the 11 million figure you use in your article is probably much higher. That is a number that was gathered back before 2006.
The actual amount of illegal trespassers is probably more towards 25-30 mil., although we don't really know because amnesty advocates won't give us a "count".

Most of us are afraid that, even if a "new" immigration policy were to be passed it would never get enforced.

Why would it?

Obama has done everything within his power to make excuses and actually impair immigration enforcement efforts.

Does anyone have any idea of how much health insurance ALONE will cost the legal American taxpayers if 25 million go on Obamacare?

Most, (if not all)"new" citizens would qualify for subsidies to pay for their insurance.

We can't afford that.

Our OWN citizens need the jobs.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

"Obama has done everything within his power to make excuses and actually impair immigration enforcement efforts."

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Actually, Obama has deported more in his first four years than Bush did in his eight.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Actually, "Darrel" Obama just changed the way he "counts" deportations.

The method in place before Obama was to count only those who had breeched the border by a quarter mile. Border patrol was given discretion as to the one quarter mile measurement.

After Obama took office he told border agents to start "counting" all those they encountered right at the border and were told to "go home".

So now, when border agents see someone going over the wall or stepping over the border they get "counted". Its different from when Bush was in office.

Check with a border patrol agent if you don't believe me.

airnaut
Everett, 00

"Immigration: Make process easier, keep undesirables out"

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That headline could have been seen in just about any German newspaper from 1939.
And we know what happened to the 'undesirables' who didn't make it out....

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . we want to make it easier to get here legally and harder to come here illegally . . . improving border security so people don't come through the "back door."

That's not at all what liberals want.

They're contending mightily for the illegal alien vote. They want to buy those votes with amnesty and an easy path to voting citizenship.

And, they want to keep that "back door" wide open, so as to constantly replenish the supply of bought-off voters, as older immigrants get smarter and realize that this liberal immigration scam merely imports to America the problems they left behind in the "old country."

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"They're contending mightily for the illegal alien vote. They want to buy those votes with amnesty and an easy path to voting citizenship."

Hmmm... Interesting.

So the GOP has never tried to buy the Latino vote?

What then, was Reagan trying to do when he amnestied them? Or when Bush tried to in the 2000s?

It's amazing what historical facts can do to a dogmatic argument.

Here's the thing, repubs, you folks lost... And have been losing for a long time. Your lack of leadership and complete mismanagement in your own party is made manifest in your inability to attract homosexual, the young, women, and minorities to vote for you.

You could expand your base but instead you seem entrenched to not allow these folks into your tent. In fact, you seem more and more focused on the old, white, male, evangelical vote. This isn't going to work!

The Titanic is sinking and you folks seem content to go down with it rather than make reforms and get real leadership.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

@Darrel

GOP argument on Immigration : "Why have boundaries? Bad guys are just going to cross them anyway." ;)

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Yes, Darrel -- which is why we need the "GUNS," if you please, of earnest, uniform enforcement, both at the border and in the interior, and meaningful penalty -- including significant fines, significant jail and prison times, permanent confiscation of property, and then deportation. Word would spread like wildfire that a crackdown is occurring, that the United States no longer is being a pushover, that every single illegal-alien is SUBJECT to the law, and to arrest, at any time, and in any place.

You know what would happen? All of a sudden, there would be an element of DETERRENCE, which would discourage foreign nationals from illegally crossing the border in the first place (or taking out visas with an intent to overstay), and an element of ATTRITION, which would encourage those already in the country illegally to return to their home countries and take their children with them.

Currently these elements do not exist in this country, and especially in Utah, certainly not with corrupt government at all levels explicitly assuring illegal aliens that they basically have immunity at the law.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

@The Real Maverick

"I need further instruction from am radio on what to do and what to believe..."

Nice attempt at silencing and discrediting through mockery, but the fact is that most Americans still have a sense of right and wrong and don't actually need am radio to tell them what to believe. And anyway, there is nothing wrong with am radio telling the truth.

What IS wrong is people LYING -- whether on AM, FM, or some other media -- in wait to deceive, who call evil good, and good evil.

And by the way: some still believe that one should not sell his soul, or that of his country, in order to "expand the base."

@killpack

"On the other hand, if people are going to freely come into this country, only to make this country LESS libertarian by voting for authoritarians, I don't think I am okay with that."

And you are a libertarian I can respect, since you are recognizing the essential connection between immigration law and the preservation of liberty.

@airnaut

You are dishonestly equating persons classified as "undesirable" because of ethnicity or religion with people who are in fact undesirable because they disrespect the law.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

Excellent letter. A background check to keep out convicted felons, and then open immigration, with a sensible pathway to citizenship.
Immigrants are a net plus economically. As for 'amnesty,' fine, call it amnesty. That's just a label, and an unimportant one. People want to become part of our great nation. If admitted, they will significantly add to our national greatness. Let 'em in.

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

"Obama has done everything within his power to make excuses and actually impair immigration enforcement efforts."

"The method in place before Obama was to count only those who had breeched the border by a quarter mile. Border patrol was given discretion as to the one quarter mile measurement."

Mutually exclusive - which is usually the result when relying on shoddy journalism.

airnaut
Everett, 00

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

@airnaut

You are dishonestly equating persons classified as "undesirable" because of ethnicity or religion with people who are in fact undesirable because they disrespect the law.

11:54 a.m. Feb. 4, 2013

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Not necessarily - but there are many Utahns who are racist.
Listen to people talk about 'them' behind their backs at Walmart.

Besides;
It wasn't my side who label fellow human beings as "undesirable'.

The list of "undesirable" in Nazi Germany:

Liberals,
Communists,
immigrants [legal and illegal],
College professors,
Non-Christians,
the Homeless,
terminally or mentally ill,
poor, sick, needy,
homosexuals,
abortionists, ....ect.

It wasn't my side who label human beings as "undesirable'.
I would have been included on that list.

Still am, only it's America - 2013.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

Lets look at immigration and the need to secure our borders first.

Yes there are people trying to sneak in here to work. But at the same time we also have terrorists that are trying to come here to cause damage.

Do you want to open to borders to terrorists to pass into the US to detonate bombs at the shopping malls where your kids are going to see movies and buy clothes?

Do you want the government to give a terrorist a greencard because the terrorist learned enough Spanish to sound "mexican"?

We don't know who we have here, and without doing something to push them out, we will have to deal with ever growing problems.

If they want the immigrants to self deport, I have a simple idea. Put the able bodied people that are on welfare on job details where they do the work that the immigrants typically do. No work, no welfare. The same for the unemployed that are beyond the 6 month mark. The employers would pay the government $1/hr knowing for each temporary employee. That way the immigrants cannot compete with the US surplus workers.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "What then, was Reagan trying to do when he amnestied them?"

Buy them. Pure and simple.

We've never maintained that any conservative was without flaw -- that would be unChristian.

But, as we all know, the conservative political approach is to admit and mend flaws. Liberals, on the other hand, deny, celebrate, even double down on them and offer them up as virtues.

And, it's certainly the liberals that are currently wedded to destructive illegal alien vote-buying and open-borders, party-replenishment policies.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

But at the same time we also have terrorists that are trying to come here to cause damage.

Do you want to open to borders to terrorists to pass into the US to detonate bombs at the shopping malls where your kids are going to see movies and buy clothes?

Do you want the government to give a terrorist a greencard because the terrorist learned enough Spanish to sound "mexican"?

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Yes RedShirt, America already has "terrorists" within our borders causing damage.
They are already killing our children in the malls, movie theaters and schools - just like you say.

BUT,

They are not hispanic,
and they are not Middle Eastern.

Terrorists are not sneaking around getting greecards speaking just enough spanish to sound "mexican'.

The Terrorist you are so afraid of young, white, males, who play too many video games, and are paranoid government hating Anti-Americans, packing AR-15 and AK-47 assault rifles.

BTW - Your comment also has a subtle but very distinct ring of bigoty and racism to it.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Open Minded Mormon" when you see headlines like "Controversial Muslim cleric caught being smuggled into U.S. over Mexico border" from the Daily Mail and "Radical Muslim imam captured at US-Mexico border" in the Examiner.

"Hezbollah terror threat on U.S.-Mexico border is real" AZ Capitol Times

This is not about race or bigotry, this is purely about US security and keeping the borders safe.

What was racist? Explain that.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Another “If it’s illegal, change the law to make it legal” letter.

And just who is this “most of us who want immigrants in our country”?

It’s not the working people who can’t find a job.

It’s not the college graduate who is underbid for employment by the immigrant.

It’s not the parents and grandparents who have to support their unemployed kids.

It’s not anyone who finds themselves at a disadvantage in the struggle for survival.

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