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Gov. Perry: Boy Scouts should keep no-gay policy

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 4, 2013 5:42 p.m.

    Start another scouting program for gays. It's just that simple. BSA doesn't have a monopoly on scouting.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Feb. 4, 2013 3:09 p.m.

    Unless I am missing something, "The Gays" are not pushing the BSA to do anything. "The Gays" do not have that much clout. How could they? society has repressed and vilfied them for two thousand years.

    The ones who are promoting the change are: Intel, Emerson, Verizon, 3M, Bank of America, UPS, Pfizer,, etc. etc. I never knew these companies were gay enterprises. More power to them.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 4, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    Well said and well done Gov Perry! Utah Gov Herbert ought to follow up with a similar statement!!

  • George Bronx, NY
    Feb. 4, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    @banderson
    So only this that you deem to "be on the right path" deserve to be treated with "respect"?

    @the truth
    If gays are.being bullies because they seek encussion then your demanding that the BSA adhere to your wishes would be what exactly?

    @sls
    All in the eye of the beholder I think.

  • sls Columbia, MO
    Feb. 4, 2013 6:02 a.m.

    Perry has courage. Obama has none.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 10:40 p.m.

    Remember we are talking about a PRIVATE organization.

    So it is the Gays and gay supporters that are being the bullies here, trying to force acceptance their views and behaviors onto a private organization.

    Bullies are bullies regardless of number or size.

    BSA is not pushing their private views on anyone who is not a member, they are not the bullies.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 10:01 p.m.

    @Bandersen, 8:02 PM Feb 3, 2013 - I agree. Couldn't have said it better. The issue is really with the change in leadership, not so much the boys. This can be compared to a lesbian girls' PE teacher in Central Utah a few years past, who was terminated. This caused a big stink in the gay community and in the media. Neverless, how would you feel if you were one of the girls in the PE class and your lesbian female teacher walked into the shower room with girls going into and out of the showers. How do you think the parents felt. And what about the school board. They were only protecting the girls' privacy rights. Gay men have no business being Boy Scout leaders.

  • fiddlinem Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 9:53 p.m.

    I hope to clarify my point of view here, in a kind way. I hope that those dealing with homosexuality will understand...The only gay men I've had a chance to know included 2 who left their wives and children for another partner, 1 that sexually abused a child, and one that had sex on his mind constantly. All had pornography addictions. I know that there are those out there who deal with same-sex attraction who aren't living lives that hurt others, but because of my limited experience, I feel it would be foolish to trust a gay man with my son. The cause of these attractions has not been substantiated. The history hasn't either. It's all so gray, and embracing something that is not yet fully understood would be unwise, particularly when we bring the children into it. Let's love one another, but acknowledge our weakness in just not knowing much about this issue, no matter what side we take.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 8:02 p.m.

    Well, one thing is for sure, God does not condone Homosexuality. He doesn't condone a lot of things, but I don't see people posting that they are proud of being an adulterer, or that not being admitted into the priesthood for such is bigoted. This has nothing to do with being tolerant of different views. I can easily tolerate someone telling me they love a perversion, but then to tell me that I must allow them to teach my children on an overnight camp out is quite another issue. I am not intolerant; I am careful. I have that right. If the Boy Scouts do this, something that has been trusted for a century will now have made them less trustful, something that every parent should have concern. I have two eagle scouts, and two more on the way. Please don't devalue their accomplishment of being 'morally straight.'

  • trueamerican Huntsville, AL
    Feb. 3, 2013 5:57 p.m.

    We need leaders like Perry, Governors, speaking up and taking a stand on morals. Obama is the opposite of this. He'll speak up for whatever is immoral and try to shove it down everyone's throat until evil is the law of the land.

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    Feb. 3, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    Goodness, gays are the bullies now? Hmmm, if that's true, it's just a nanosecond in the course of human history. If the table has turned, I'm not feeling sorry for anyone.

  • B ob Richmond, CA
    Feb. 3, 2013 3:37 p.m.

    My son achieved his Life Scout rank, my daughters are Venturers (one just beginning and one with her Silver award) and I have a Bear Scout.

    Even if my sponsor organization still excludes gays - the BSA is only choosing to lift its ban - not demanding units to chang - it does mean that there could be gay scouts, gay leaders, and gay trainers at council and district trainings and events.

    If I choose to stay with Scouts and do what I can to minimize the damage that will follow with this change - Do my kids only stick with the troop/crew/pack and not enjoy the benefits of world, national, council, and district events and training?

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 3:12 p.m.

    Were I in charge of the scouts, the golden rule would
    get greater emphasis. Scouts would be taught to
    to treat others as they would want to be treated
    themselves. This includes not teasing or talking
    disrespectfully of others. This would include
    being respectful of people are different.

    I would not however open up scout leadership
    positions to gay men, people who are sexually
    attracted to the scouts. This is unnecessary and
    unacceptable risk.

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    Feb. 3, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    Perry ever runs for president he has my vote, unlike cristy of NJ.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 2:17 p.m.

    If gays get their way on this issue the LDS Church will likely drop the program... - Miss Piggie

    So much for tolerance.

    The BSA does not promote sexual activity, so a Boy scout being gay should not be an issue.

    So then, why is it...?

  • Miss Piggie Ogden, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    @Jack:
    "If BSA changes its policy, then the local units will have control, thus the LDS Church will stay the same regarding Scouting."

    Local units will not be able to go against BSA Headquarters policy. A court will make that decision, not the church.

    "Do you also think that the recent web site put up by the Church encourage gays and lesbian members to come back is just a front?"

    Come back to what?

    "As long as the person lives the standards they can participate in Church, so why offer that on one hand, and take away with the other?"

    True, but the chance for pedophilia is multiplied exponentially. And the church doesn't need more of that... They've had enough already, costing alotta dough over the years.

    "Denying your sons the ethics and values of BSA, as well as your donations does not seem to be productive in light of the good BSA does."

    If one of the values of the BSA is homosexuality, my sons don't need that.

    "Please, reconsider."

    Sorry.

  • PAC Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 3, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    So some people are gay...Could someone please explain to me why gay people always have to act like bullies. It is like this, Gay people believe what they believe, and I believe what I believe. Let just agree to disagree.

  • Grandpa Dave Draper, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    Congrats to a brave governor who understands and upholds the Scout OATH!!!!! The scouts are taught this Oath from the beginning .... Lets all stand up and defend the standards for which scouting stand for! It is time for the majority to be heard from ... It is time to stand and be counted!!!!

  • Jack Aurora, CO
    Feb. 3, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    Miss Piggie,
    Please reconsider. If BSA changes its policy, then the local units will have control, thus the LDS Church will stay the same regarding Scouting. Scouts Canada is used by the Church, and it allows gays to participate, so why would the Church drop BSA for the same reason? Do you also think that the recent web site put up by the Church encourage gays and lesbian members to come back is just s front? As long as the person lives the standards they can participate in Church, so why offer that on one hand, and take away with the other?

    Denying your sons the ethics and values of BSA, as well as your donations does not seem to be productive in light of the good BSA does.

    Please, reconsider.

  • The Skeptical Chymist SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    @banderson said "Tolerance has acquired a new devious meaning in modern culture, acceptance. You must accept a lifestyle, even if you believe it evil."

    No, you don't need to accept it. If you don't believe in gay marriage, don't marry someone of your same gender. The argument here is about your desire to limit the rights of others.

    You also said "You should be gagged against expression because you have views that align with scripture."

    Judging by the fact that you are free to comment in a public space (these pages) and campaign against the evil you see around us, no one is gagging you.

    You also said "Any society built on allowing the biggest bully to prevail is not a society that will make it better for anyone, including gays?"

    For centuries the biggest bully has prevented gays and lesbians from having fulfilled lives. Now that is changing, and the biggest bullies (i.e., you and your kind) are complaining about the unfairness of it all. To this I say: Boo hoo. You've had your way for far too long!

  • Miss Piggie Ogden, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    If gays get their way on this issue the LDS Church will likely drop the program as the activity arm of the Aaronic Priesthood. I'm sure, also, that contributions to BSA will drop way off. I won't give anymore. And I won't encourage my sons to get into the program.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    Pagan: Unless you are buying a product or service, of course you should be concerned about any organization or cause that you donate money to. I will not give time or money to anyone whose values are in direct conflict with my own, that would just be silly.

    This whole boy scout issue is just the latest chapter in conflict between those who hold the traditional viewpoint that the gay lifestyle is wrong and the radical gay agenda.

    Any organization that takes the position that homosexual behavior is not equal to heterosexual behavior is to be publicly flogged by many liberal groups. Unless you embrace the entire gay agenda (can't be neutral or merely tolerant of it, you must "embrace" it) then you will be labeled a hate group and branded with the "homophobe" scarlet letter.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    Gay activists are the bullies here. Tolerance has acquired a new devious meaning in modern culture, acceptance. You must accept a lifestyle, even if you believe it evil. You are the intolerant bigot because God's word echoes in your heart. You are the intolerant racist because God's word says you are born male and female. You are intolerant and evil because you believe that God has said marraige is between a man and a women. You should be gagged against expression because you have views that align with scripture. You are, in fact, hypocritical because you believe in family as ordained by God! Those who are naive enough to believe that this is only about treating gays civilly are woefully ignorant. This is about acceptance of a lifestyle. The biggest bully of all, abetted by a compliant and amoral media, is not going to stop until evil is called good. Any society built on allowing the biggest bully to prevail is not a society that will make it better for anyone, including gays?

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 2:04 a.m.

    If you will only give money to an organization if it adheres to your values, let's be honest about what you are doing.

    Having someone buy, your values.

    Not adhere to them.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 12:43 a.m.

    The reason National Boy Scout leaders are changing their stance on this issue, is because there are so many organizations saying they will withdraw their funding if the Boy Scouts policy remains as it now is. Too bad some people hold the almighty dollar in more esteem than their principles. I bet if the Boy Scouts stand firm on this issue, their funding will not go down, but probably increase. Time will tell how all of this plays out. I desire to continue to support the BSA so long as it retains its conservative values; otherwise, I probably will not.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Feb. 2, 2013 11:45 p.m.

    Perry thinks scouts should keep no gay policy and this is news why?